Re: [ontolog-forum] Technical Discussion Session on "Semantic Web Servi

[Michael Maximilien <maxim@xxxxxxxxxx>]

OK cool.

I guess some of us can start meeting
at ICSOC '05 and then also at ISWC '05.  If we make some progress
we should probably plan to share our thoughts on some focused wiki or the
like---maybe the ontolog-forum's wiki? or some other one from the current
projects?

> just to say that I will be at ISWC and will probably
be at Mediate'05.

I will be at DWP but could try to add
Mediate for part of the time.

> >> Would you or someone from the group
be interested in offering a 
> >> panel/follow up at ICSOC-DWP 
> >> (http://lsdis.cs.uga.edu/projects/meteor-s/dwp2005/), or
another workshop 
> >> (mainly Mediate'05).
> >> If so, I can look to see if there is a slot.

Amit, if there are no other takers then
I could present something.  We (Almaden Services Research) have been
working on various white papers on SSME.

I have one that tries to define services
in the large and attempts to relate the SSME initiative to SOA and SWS.
 I am planning to discuss that at the Dagstuhl SOC seminar in Germany.
 I could expand the semantic aspect and present if you have a slot
and no other takers.

Take care,

E. M. (Max) Maximilien, Ph.D.
IBM Almaden Research Center
San Jose, CA USA
maxim@xxxxxxxxxx
Homepage: http://maximilien.org

John Domingue <j.b.domingue@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote
on 10/27/2005 02:09:19 AM:

> just to say that I will be at ISWC and will probably be at Mediate'05.
> 
> 
> john
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "David Martin" <martin@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Amit Sheth @ LSDIS" <amit@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "Michael Maximilien" <maxim@xxxxxxxxxx>; "Peter
P. Yim" 
> <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>; "John Domingue" <j.b.domingue@xxxxxxxxxx>;
"Nicolas F 
> Rouquette" <nicolas.rouquette@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "[ontolog-forum]"
> <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "verm >> KUNAL
VERMA" <verma@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 6:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Technical Discussion Session on "Semantic
Web 
> Service Ontology Standard" - Thu 2005.10.20
> 
> 
> > Another possibility for follow-up meetings/panels/discussions
is at ISWC 
> > 2005, week after next in Ireland.
> >
> > http://iswc2005.semanticweb.org/
> >
> > Regards,
> > David
> >
> > Amit Sheth @ LSDIS wrote:
> >>
> >> Michael,
> >> Would you or someone from the group be interested in offering
a 
> >> panel/follow up at ICSOC-DWP 
> >> (http://lsdis.cs.uga.edu/projects/meteor-s/dwp2005/), or
another workshop 
> >> (mainly Mediate'05).
> >> If so, I can look to see if there is a slot.
> >>
> >> Amit
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Maximilien wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Let me start by seconding Peter and thanking all the
presenters and to 
> >>> Nicolas for moderating.
> >>>
> >>> I was wondering how we could follow-up on the discussions
we have 
> >>> started during the panel?  In particular, does it
make sense to have 
> >>> some workshop or some other form of discussions?  One
approach is to 
> >>> meet during an existing conference, e.g., the up coming
ICSOC 2005 
> >>> conference in Amsterdam in December of this year?
> >>>
> >>> I am particularly interested in business applications
of SWS and the 
> >>> scenarios where the technologies are applicable.  In
some sense, I see 
> >>> the basic vision of SWS as not only a path to help automate
some aspects 
> >>> of SOA solutions but from a broader view to help move
IT services and 
> >>> processes (engagements) to the Web.
> >>>
> >>> I am thinking of how IT service providers (e.g., IBM
Global Services, 
> >>> Accenture, and so on) currently execute service engagements
or 
> >>> particularly the kind of collaboration, knowledge, cocreation
of value, 
> >>> and so on, that occurs in a service engagement.  With
the Web as the 
> >>> service delivery platform, SOAs are allowing a dynamic
substrate for IT 
> >>> service providers and consumers.  However, as we
all know, one thing 
> >>> that is missing from current approaches, to enable better
automation, is 
> >>> a conceptualization of the semantics in the domain and
the services as 
> >>> well as tools, techniques, and approaches to take advantage
of that 
> >>> formalization.   And of course, that is exactly
what the SWS community 
> >>> has been researching and continues to research. (This
is also very much 
> >>> in line with a broader push by IBM research to create
a science of 
> >>> services.   See the SSME site => http://www.research.ibm.com/ssme/)
> >>>
> >>> SHAMELESS PLUG: Peter and I and working to get Jim Spohrer
to present 
> >>> IBM's SSME research efforts to the ontolog-forum on December
8th)
> >>>
> >>> However, an apparent comment is that the SWS vision seems
like a 
> >>> daunting task to achieve; and it begs for pragmatic and
evolutionary 
> >>> approaches...  hence some of the comments of making
sure to align 
> >>> closely with the Web services industry efforts and some
of the praises 
> >>> for the WSDL-S initiative.
> >>>
> >>> Nonetheless, maybe the various threads and approaches
are necessary for 
> >>> progress and we should question the current assumptions
underlying the 
> >>> Web services standards.  The REST and Web 2.0 approach
to implementing 
> >>> Web services certainly seems to be doing just that and
getting good 
> >>> traction...
> >>>
> >>> Where do we go from here?
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts, suggestions, comments, questions, or feedback
in general is 
> >>> welcome.
> >>>
> >>> E. M. (Max) Maximilien, Ph.D.
> >>> IBM Almaden Research Center
> >>> San Jose, CA USA
> >>> maxim@xxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Homepage: http://maximilien.org
> >>>
> >>> "Peter P. Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote
on 10/20/2005 06:16:50 PM:
> >>>
> >>> > We had an most wonderful virtual session today with
Nicolas
> >>> > Rouquette from NASA/JPL who moderated the Discussion
on "Semantic
> >>> > Web Service Ontology Standard".
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks to our distinguished panel, which included
David Martin
> >>> > (OWL-S), John Domingue (WSMO), Amit Sheth (WSDL-S)
and Michael
> >>> > Gruninger (SWSF / FLOWS), and the experts in the
audience, we
> >>> > collectively delved into the various perspectives
and approaches
> >>> > being taken by the state-of-the-art researchers
on the subject
> >>> > matter. We tried to make some sense of the current
situation, and
> >>> > even suggested where things should possibly be heading.
Please
> >>> > refer, again, to details at the session wiki page
at
> >>> > ConferenceCall_2005_10_20 where the presented materials
and a lot
> >>> > of relevant resources have now been posted for everyone's
reference.
> >>> >
> >>> > The digitized (mp3) audio recording of the entire
discussion has
> >>> > also been posted. As usual, this will be archived
in our
> >>> > knowledge repository for reference and download
by anyone
> >>> > interested. Additionally, for the next 10 days,
telephone
> >>> > playback will also available. See details at:
> >>> >
> >>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_10_20#nidFQQ
> >>> >
> >>> > Thanks & regards.  =ppy    (04)
> >>> >
> >>> > P.S. Our next major events is scheduled for Thursday,
Nov. 3,
> >>> > 2005,  Mr. Rex Brooks from HumanMarkup.org
will be moderating a
> >>> > Take-II (as a follow-up to our 2005.08.25 session)
of the Panel
> >>> > Discussion on "Healthcare Informatics Landscapes,
Roadmaps, and
> >>> > Blueprints: Towards a Business Case Strategy for
Large Scale
> >>> > Ontology Projects". Please mark your calendars
... and, watch out
> >>> > for our announcements on these two events which
should be coming
> >>> > out any moment now.
> >>> >
> >>> > P.P.S. In view of the fact that the National Center
for
> >>> > Ontological Research (NCOR) will be having their
Inaugural Event
> >>> > next Thursday (at Buffalo, NY), where a good number
of our
> >>> > community members will be present at, we will NOT
be having our
> >>> > regular weekly conference call that day (repeat,
no call on
> >>> > 2005.10.27). So, talk to you again Thu 2005.11.03
  =ppy
> >>> > --
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Peter P. Yim wrote Fri, 14 Oct 2005 10:04:29 -0700:
> >>> > > ...
> >>> > > *ANNOUNCEMENT*
> >>> > >
> >>> > > We are pleased to announce our Technical Discussion
session 
> >>> > > scheduled
> >>> > > for next Thursday, Oct. 20, 2005. The topic
to be discussed will be:
> >>> > > "Semantic Web Service Ontology Standard".
We are expecting a
> >>> > > distinguished panel and some of the top researchers
and
> >>> practitioners at
> >>> > > the session. We will delve into the still divergent
perspectives and
> >>> > > approaches being taken on the subject matter
during this session.
> >>> > > Collectively, we will attempt to make some
sense of the current
> >>> state of
> >>> > > affairs, and possibly suggest where things
should be heading.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > *Conference call-in details*:
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Date: Thursday, Oct. 20, 2005
> >>> > > Start Time: 10:30am PDT / 1:30pm EDT / 17:30
UTC (World Time:
> >>> > > http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?
> >>> > month=10&day=20&year=2005&hour=10&min=30&sec=0&p1=224
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Session Duration: 2 Hours
> >>> > > Dial-in Number: +1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas,
Nevada, USA)
> >>> > > Participant Access Code: "686564#"
> >>> > > VNC shared-screen support available
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > * Topic: "*Semantic Web Service Ontology
Standard*"
> >>> > >
> >>> > > * Moderator: Nicolas Rouquette (NASA/JPL)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > * Organizing Team:
> >>> > >      o  Nicolas Rouquette
(NASA/JPL),
> >>> > >      o  John Domingue (KMI,
UK), &
> >>> > >      o  E. Michael Maximilien
(IBM)
> >>> > >
> >>> > > * Panelists:
> >>> > >      o  David Martin (SRI)
- OWL-S
> >>> > >      o  John Domingue (KMI,
UK) - WSMO
> >>> > >      o  Amit Sheth (U of
Georgia) - WSDL-S, and
> >>> > >      o  Michael Gruninger
(U of Toronto) - SWSF / FLOWS
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > *Refer to details on the session wiki page
at:*
> >>> > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_10_20
> >>> > >
> >>> > > This will be a virtual session over an augmented
conference call.
> >>> > > The entire session will be recorded and made
available as open
> >>> content
> >>> > > under the prevailing Ontolog IPR policy (see:
> >>> > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32).
> >>> > >
> >>> > > I look forward to having you at this open session.
Please pass this
> >>> > > announcement along to those who might be interested
to join us
> >>> too. All
> >>> > > are welcomed.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > RSVP by by emailing me at <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
offline.
> >>> > >
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Regards. =ppy 
>