i would love to join but the time is bad for me. (01)
also, i should point out that UBL has no role in desgning these things
(CCTs) - they are given to us by CEFACT. all i was trying to do was
describe their spec as a UML model to get a feel for what the
relationships were. I would be the first to say they could be better -
but its not our problem. to be honest i think it would confuse
everyone to try and redesign these. it is hard enough getting people to
understand what they are now. (02)
Peter Yim wrote: (03)
> > One comment we could make for them right away
> > would be that amounts and units should be in a hierarchy and be
> > used with a single relation instead of having various dedicated
> > and unrelated relations like Amount and AmountCurrency, as in
> > the current components. ...
>
> Thanks, Adam.
>
> Tim, you got that (please consider this the first installment of a
> response from [ontolog] :-) )?
> Can you join us on 2004.03.04 when we will try to specifically tackle
> this matter during our regular phone conference?
>
> Cheers. -ppy
> --
>
> ====
> Adam Pease wrote Wed, 25 Feb 2004 11:22:20 -0800:
>
>> Peter,
>> Thanks for clarifying. One comment we could make for them right
>> away would be that amounts and units should be in a hierarchy and be
>> used with a single relation instead of having various dedicated and
>> unrelated relations like Amount and AmountCurrency, as in the current
>> components. SUMO already has an extensive hierarchy of unit types,
>> with full semantic definitions for each.
>>
>> Adam
>
>
> ...[snip]...
>
>>>>> Adam Pease wrote Thu, 12 Feb 2004 10:01:29 -0800:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter,
>>>>>> This sounds like a good opportunity. I would suggest that we
>>>>>> offer SUMO + MILO + Invoice as core components. I also agree
>>>>>> that after people start trying to formalize terms (my message of
>>>>>> 1/16/04 suggests who might try which terms) and come up to speed,
>>>>>> that Tim's list would be a good next step.
>>>>>> I've left off the UBL mailing list from the cc list until the
>>>>>> group reaches consensus on this.
>>>>>> Adam
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ---
>>>>
>
>
>>>>>> At 06:34 AM 2/12/2004 -0800, Peter Yim wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given our charter, I would invite the [ontolog] community to:
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> 1. review Tim's input (message below and the two attachments).
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> 2. seek clarification (where appropriate), discuss & comment.
>>>>>>> Note that Tim McGrath (UBL-LCSC), Sue Probert (UN/CEFACT-TBG17),
>>>>>>> and a good number of pertinent players (like Monica Martin, Bill
>>>>>>> McCarthy, John Yunker, Farruhk Najmi, Marion Royal, Eduardo
>>>>>>> Gutentag, ... etc.) are actually either active or observing on
>>>>>>> this [ontolog-forum] list.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> 3. consider how "you" would (or "we" should) have tackled it,
>>>>>>> with an ontological engineering approach, giving the
>>>>>>> methodologies the ontolog community has been deliberating and
>>>>>>> working on.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> 4. consider tackling this as our first real formalization
>>>>>>> requirement in the UBL-Ontology project, once we, as a team, get
>>>>>>> past learning the ropes in SUO-KIF formalization. (ok with you,
>>>>>>> Adam?)
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> 5. would be wonderful if we can reach some concrete and
>>>>>>> actionable conclusions (in relatively short order) and provide
>>>>>>> that as feedback and recommendations to Tim/UBL.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> 6. for other pertinent references, see:
>>>>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UblRelease1_0
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> PPY
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>
>
>>>>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>>>>> Subject: [ubl-lcsc] Modeling Core Component Types
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 15:01:40 +0800
>>>>>>> From: Tim McGrath <tmcgrath@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>>>> To: ubl-lcsc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> The UBL Library has been built upon a set of data types/core
>>>>>>> component
>>>>>>> types defined by the CEFACT CCTS v2.0 specification.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> To date, we have relied upon hand crafted schemas to define
>>>>>>> these. This has resulted in a few problems...
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> a. the schemas have to be mapped to the representation terms in
>>>>>>> the UBL models.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> b. they have not always been synchronized with other deliverables
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> c. the provide a disjointed view of the overall UBL library.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> Over the past few weeks we had had various discussions about how
>>>>>>> to deal with this in a more controlled manner.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> One of the options is to go back to our basic design approach
>>>>>>> and create models of these from which XSD code can be
>>>>>>> generated. I know the Michael Dill has been keen to see this.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> To this end I have dug into the CCTS specification and created a
>>>>>>> model
>>>>>>> of the Core Component Types - both as a UML Class Diagram and a UBL
>>>>>>> format spreadsheet model. These are attached. My objective was to
>>>>>>> create structures that modelled the Dictionary Entry Names in the
>>>>>>> specification.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> I would be interested in other opinions on this strategy -
>>>>>>> particularly Michael and the TBG17 group.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> PS this exercise exposed a few typos (i suspect) in the
>>>>>>> specification so few objects have slightly different names.
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> regards
>>>>>>> tim mcgrath
>>>>>>> phone: +618 93352228
>>>>>>> postal: po box 1289 fremantle western australia 6160
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
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