On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, Leo Obrst wrote: (01)
> Amen, Bill. I am a strong advocate of top-down ontologies (and so I recuse
> myself), and so will not say more than you've said, except: The best approach
>(in
> my view) is a mixed top/bottom: harvest the documents you need to cover from
>the
> bottom-up, induce their requirements upward, and come down from the top with
> principles that seem to match. (02)
Pragmatically, I'm with you, Leo. (03)
And I'm not trolling when I was the question -- (04)
The phrase "incomplete ontological effort" intrigues me. What is the
operational definition of a "complete ontological effort" -- surely this
is entirely a function of level of effort? (05)
> "William E. McCarthy" wrote:
>
> > No matter how loud the marketing drumbeats get for UBL, there can be no
> > disputing that it represents at its core a bottom-up approach to
> > developing a business process ontology. You can generalize documents
> > forever and still not unearth basic economic and business principles of
> > economic exchanges. Documents add unnecessary components (like details of
> > manual reconciliations/bookkeeping and/or paper exchange). Documents also
> > hide components that should be analyzed and generalized (like
> > implementation compromises of ideal models). Additionally, I do not see
> > how the state of affairs at a process or collaboration level can be tracked
> > by seeing which document was sent last.
> >
> > Harvesting existing knowledge (as UBL does) is a good partial
> > approach. However, until UBL attacks some of these conceptual issues from
> > the top down, it will be an incomplete ontological effort, no matter what
> > personalities or companies are behind it.
> >
> > Bill McCarthy
> > Michigan State
> >
> > moy rAt 02:05 PM 1/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:
> > >As the UBL release is nearing, we are starting to see their story covered
>in
> > >trade press now.
> > >
> > >Take a look at the eWeek article:
> > >
> > > Push for UBL Protocol Gathers Momentum
> > > By Darryl K. Taft / January 13, 2003
> > >
> > > http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,825911,00.asp
> > >
> > >-ppy
> > >
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> > Bill McCarthy
> > Michigan State University
> > 517-432-2913
> > http://www.msu.edu/user/mccarth4/
> >
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