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Re: [ontolog] UBL proposals for codesets?

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From: Leo Obrst <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 10:49:21 -0500
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Thanks for the update and the pointers, Tim!    (01)

Leo    (02)

Tim McGrath wrote:    (03)

> As far as distinguishing codes from identifiers, for the present we have
> adopted the position as outlined in the attached paper.  This conforms
> to your definition of a code.
> In terms of how we intend codesets to be implemented we have a technical
> solution as given in the paper...
> We are also establishing preferred codesets for many of the codes
> defined in the vocabulary.  For example, ISO 639 is the recommended code
> for languages.
> I personally see the choice of codeset as secondary to the semantics of
> the object itself.  That is, we need to understand what a language is
> and when to use it before we determine the appropriate codesets .  This
> is more problematic when we qualify an object with a 'type' that is
> coded - what do we mean by 'type'?  For example, in UBL we have a Type
> entity within an Order document, is this the type of document (e.g.
> Order, Invoice, Response) or is it a type of Order (Standing, Reverse,
> One-off, etc..).  It is this ambiguity that creates more problems than
> the choice of codeset. If someone uses 'GB' as opposed to 'UK' as their
> country code - at least we know they are talking about the same thing
> (roughly).  In these cases it is often a simple transformation - a
> process most business do anyway for their internal to external code
> conversions.
> Leo Obrst wrote:
> >All,
> >
> >We had a discussion at the UBL workshop back in June about codesets (and
> >also identifiers) and how UBL should or would handle these. Has there
> >been additional discussion on this, or any guidelines established, etc.?
> >If so, can you point me to a document?
> >
> >By codes and codesets I mean: a code is a shorthand for some concept,
> >e.g., a two- or three-character representation for a specific country.
> >Another example: the two-character US state code representing (and
> >abbreviating) the state, e.g., ME for Maine. In general, a code is an
> >abbreviation, a more compact representation for a concept (to minimize
> >storage as opposed to maximizing human readability/interpretation).
> >
> >One of the issues in ontologies and business of course is that often
> >these codes (and different, possibly conflicting codesets) are used
> >willy-nilly as the only representation for the concept or in the
> >database.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >Leo
> >
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> tim mcgrath
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