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Re: [bsp-forum] Question about SAP FiremansDigitalKeybox

To: "Alan Vinh" <alan.vinh@xxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Building Service Performance (BSP) Forum" <bsp-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Jason D. Averill" <Jason.Averill@xxxxxxxx>, "ibcomm@xxxxxxx" <ibcomm@xxxxxxx>, David Holmberg <david.holmberg@xxxxxxxx>
From: "Deborah MacPherson" <debmacp@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 13:22:20 -0500
Message-id: <48f213f30812021022u3e2ad65cg9f618b34977b41bb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Thanks Alan - will correct spelling and work in these points below over the next couple days. Is the goal to get everyone to the next generation or will there always necessarily be current and next generations both for the foreseeable future? What about an extremely rural area? In regards to being out of order, Room 310 is showing up too late in the beginning also - Thanks and Regards, Deborah

On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Alan Vinh <alan.vinh@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Deborah,

1) My last name is "Vinh" not "Vihn" (slides 15 & 18). :-)

2) The NIST slide (16) has next generation communication in red and current communication in black. So for slide 17, if that red box is representing next generation communication then it should be covering the lower right hand corner where the "buildings" are. I.e., when the CSA companies connect back to the building to verify the emergencies, they are connecting back through the BBS (using appropriate security measures, etc.) to get to the building alerts, floorplans and other building information. We are envisioning that the "security systems" and "fire systems" that the CSA companies currently monitor (see lower left corner of the NIST diagram), will be integrated into sending alerts via CAP messages (or some other standard message?) so that every part of the building will be communicating with the first responder networks (CSA, NG9-1-1, PSAP, etc.) in the same manner using building servers such as the BBS & BPS. At some point in the chain of communication, the BPS will connect to its "configured" SAP and will send its alerts to that SAP, i.e., to the CSA, NG9-1-1 or directly to the PSAP depending on the configuration of that particular jurisdiction. Note that not all organizations will be available everywhere in the country, so we will have cases such as:

  BBS->BPS->CSA->NG9-1-1->PSAP  (fully functional city)
  or
BBS->BPS->CSA->PSAP              (NG9-1-1 not available)
  or
BBS->BPS->NG9-1-1->PSAP        (CSA not available)
  or
BBS->BPS->PSAP                        (CSA & NG9-1-1 not available)
  or none of the above and communication will be done as it is currently being done

Once the BPS has done its job and notify the first responder network (CSA, NG9-1-1 or PSAP), then the scenario continues with perhaps the human interaction to review & verify the emergency, then the alerts are forwarded to the proper authorities.

3) For slide 18, once the alerts have reached the CSA or PSAP via the SAP, i.e., what happens within each organization can vary so the scenario is describing that each Computer Aided Dispatch (CAD) system will parse the alerts and populate their data forms accordingly
(either in the CSA or PSAP or wherever). We are interested in getting the alerts to the various organizations such as CSA, NG9-1-1 and PSAP via the SAP, but then each organization will deal with the alerts in their own way. There are over 250 CAD vendors and each may populate their trouble tickets in their own proprietary ways, what we would like to see is that they all will support the "common" alert message such as the CAP message to electronically populate their systems. In the case for the NG9-1-1 organization, their systems would take the "common" alert message and route it to the appropriate PSAP perhaps by using EDXL, human intervention will probably be minimal.

For the CSA folks, we envision the BPS sending its alerts into designated CSA owned SAPs that will route the alerts to the appropriate CSA companies depending on the alerts' addresses. Once those responsible CSA companies have received the alerts, they will go into action to verify the emergency and contact the PSAP folks as necessary (either directly or via the NG9-1-1 network, both via SAPs). EDXL seems to also fit well for the routing that would be done by the CSA's SAPs.

So for slide 18, the "Data Fields" box and the "9-1-1 Dispatch Center" symbol should probably be used inside the PSAP. If you are trying to depict that NG9-1-1 is IN the communication loop, then they should be inserted BEFORE the PSAP since they will be taking the alerts from CSA and routing those alerts to the appropriate PSAP.

4) The SAP represents the common gateway for sending information to the various entities in the communications loop. So if we want to send information to the CSA folks, there should be a CSA common gateway that we can send the data through. Similarly, this common gateway is available for the NG9-1-1 folks and the PSAP folks - each common gateway is NOT the same physical access point, but they share the same footprint, protocols and security measures. Think of the SAPs as doors to cookie cutter houses where people/information can go through, and there are many of these houses using the same door layout. The goal is for every public safety organization/network, there should be a SAP with common protocols and security measures that we can access to send emergency information into. The SAP would be the mechanism for any of the organizations to communicate with each other, we are envisioning that the SAP (or some form of it) will also be used to communicate with the buildings (i.e., the BBS would support a SAP to access building information).

I hope this clears up your question about having a single SAP in the diagram - it is intuitively not possible. Every entity/organization that you insert into the communication scenario should support a SAP in order for other entities to communicate with it.

Regards - Alan

Deborah MacPherson wrote:
Hi NIST BFRL, BSP, and David Coggeshell

Please see attached revised slides with a question. I added the scenario text highlighting relevant phrases in red. Now I'm trying to combine the NG9-1-1, CSAN, PSAP and BISACS Integration slide to show the whole process from both OGC/NBIMS and the NG9-1-1, CSAN, PASP and BISACS Integration points of view. 

The question is, on your slide each of the orange clouds has an SAP Standard Access Point server along with computers as if this scenario took place in a fully functional city. But, as mentioned in the call, sometimes not every component is available. If so - could there be only one SAP in the middle of an idealized cycle rather than repeated at each orange cloud? If so, the next slides would be what David and Michelle call a "Common Operating Picture" for a fully functional city. The one after that would show examples if 9-1-1 was missing, if there was no CSA monitoring the building etc. Still focusing on getting the building to communicate to the outside and vice versa.

The aim for the last slides continues to be overlays showing which formats, classifications, languages (EDXL, GML, IFC, OWL) could be used for each step or area. I will need assistance to properly locate the languages. The whole background represents OGC and NBIMS standards. Literally need to also show the context or coverage of supporting information such as the IFD-CSI dictionary. 

The backgrounds here are like the static floorplans. Also added a slide for the Static vs Dynamic steps 1, 2, 3, 4. 

Thank you for your feedback. 

Deborah
 
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Specifications and Research, WDG Architecture

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