OntologySummit2014 session-14: Communique Draft Review - Thu 2014-04-17    (4AW7)

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OntologySummit2014 Session-14: "OntologySummit2014_Communique: Finalization"    (4C6U)

This is our 9th OntologySummit, a joint initiative by Ontolog, NIST, NCOR, NCBO, IAOA & NCO_NITRD with the support of our co-sponsors.    (4C6V)

Since the beginnings of the Semantic Web, ontologies have played key roles in the design and deployment of new semantic technologies. Yet over the years, the level of collaboration between the Semantic Web and Applied Ontology communities has been much less than expected. Within Big Data applications, ontologies appear to have had little impact.    (4C6W)

This year's Ontology Summit is an opportunity for building bridges between the Semantic Web, Linked Data, Big Data, and Applied Ontology communities. On the one hand, the Semantic Web, Linked Data, and Big Data communities can bring a wide array of real problems (such as performance and scalability challenges and the variety problem in Big Data) and technologies (automated reasoning tools) that can make use of ontologies. On the other hand, the Applied Ontology community can bring a large body of common reusable content (ontologies) and ontological analysis techniques. Identifying and overcoming ontology engineering bottlenecks is critical for all communities.    (4C6X)

OntologySummit2014 will pose and address the primary challenges in these areas of interaction among the different communities. The Summit activities will bring together insights and methods from these different communities, synthesize new insights, and disseminate knowledge across field boundaries.    (4C6Y)

At the Launch Event on 16 Jan 2014, the organizing team has provided an overview of the program, and how we will be framing the discourse - namely, to pursue that along four different content tracks that address different aspects of the issue at hand.    (4C6Z)

In today's session, our Lead Editors will be presenting an advanced draft of the Communique for review and discussion. We will attempt to finalize the document, so we can go into the OntologySummit2014_Symposium with the OntologySummit2014_Communique ready.    (4C70)

More details about this OntologySummit is available at: OntologySummit2014 (homepage for this summit)    (4C71)

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OntologySummit2014 - Community Discussion Session-14    (4C73)

Proceedings:    (4C79)

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	2014-04-17 GMT-08:00 [PDT]
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	[8:59] PeterYim: Welcome to the    (4CJT)
	 = OntologySummit2014 session-14: Communique Draft Review - Thu 2014-04-17 =    (4CJU)
	Summit Theme: OntologySummit2014: "Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology"    (4CJV)
	Session Topic: Session Topic: OntologySummit2014_Communique Finalization    (4CJW)
	Session Co-chairs & Communique Co-Lead Editors: Professor MichaelGruninger and Dr. LeoObrst    (4CJX)
	Agenda:    (4CJY)
	* 1. Opening (MichaelGruninger, LeoObrst) ... see: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n_28fM0GpEkp9Y_y1dUmHbCY0phjiF-1S8wrz32EtfQ/edit?usp=sharing    (4CJZ)
	* 2. Presentation of the latest draft of the Communique (co-lead editors: MichaelGruninger, LeoObrst)
	** snapshot of working draft before this Communique Finalization session - 
           http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2014/OntologySummit2014_Communique/wip/OntologySummit2014CommuniqueDraft_20140417-0900.pdf    (4CK0)
	* 3. Review by section and open discussion towards finalizing the OntologySummit2014_Communique [ALL]    (4CK1)
	* 4. Summary/wrap-up/announcements    (4CK2)
	Logistics:    (4CK3)
	* Refer to details on session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_17
	** Prepared Material - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_17#nid4C50
	** References - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_17#nid4C4H    (4CK4)
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	Attendees: LeoObrst (co-chair), MichaelGruninger (co-chair), AmandaVizedom, AndreaWesterinen, 
	BartGajderowicz, ChristiKapp, ChristophLange, DaliaVaranka, DennisWisnosky, FrancescaQuattri, 
	HensonGraves, JimSolderitsch, KenBaclawski, LamarHenderson, MichaelRiben, MikeBennett, PeterYim 
	(scribe), ShahanKhatchadourian, SimonSpero, SteveRay, TerryLongstreth, TimFinin, ToddSchneider    (4CK9)
	 == Proceedings ==    (4CKA)
	[9:24] anonymous morphed into JimSolderitsch    (4CKB)
	[9:34] anonymous morphed into FrancescaQuattri    (4CKC)
	[9:35] anonymous morphed into ShahanKhatchadourian    (4CKD)
	[9:35] ShahanKhatchadourian: Hi everyone    (4CKE)
	[9:36] anonymous morphed into DaliaVaranka    (4CKF)
	[9:36] PeterYim: == MichaelGruninger starts session on behalf of the co-chairs ... see prepared 
	material under: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_10#nid4C1E    (4CKG)
	[9:36] MichaelGruninger: Key Discussion Questions: 
        1. General comments on content -- missing ideas, changes in emphasis, disagreements about content 
        2. Editorial comments    (4CKH)
	[9:38] anonymous morphed into SimonSpero    (4CKI)
	[9:43] AmandaVizedom: Reminder regarding making comments in the Google Doc: It helps the editors if 
	comments are attributed to individuals, rather than anonymous, so that they can get clarification 
	if needed. To make yourself non-anonymous in the Google Doc, go to the top right, to the left of 
	the "Comments" button, you will see a square callout button. If you hover over this, it will say "join 
	chat." Click this. It will open a chat window, which you can minimize. From this point, any comments 
	you add will be attributed to you.    (4CKJ)
	[9:45] ... PeterYim: @MikeBennett ... I put you on mute (since your line was generating some noise), 
	so please use *7 when you need to speak    (4CKK)
	[9:46] ToddSchneider: In case I have to drop off, the description of 'semantic content' is section 
	3, "Reuse of semantic content can be defined as the ability to include content from one source in 
	another, or simply to be inspired by the content in a source., is too vague and does not constrain 
	the interpretation 'semantic content'. What constitutes 'content'? Youtube videos? Also, there's a 
	forward reference to 'semantic content'.    (4CKL)
	[9:48] AmandaVizedom: Point I just raised re section 2: In addition to Expressivity and Scalability, 
	we also heard multiple presentations call out the significance of Modularity. That might be worth 
	calling out in its own subsection.    (4CKM)
	[9:49] ToddSchneider: Why just equate 'semantic content' with ontology content?    (4CKN)
	[9:51] MikeBennett: @Todd [09:49] or "ontological content" - I think one possible angle was the 
	existence of meaningful stuff in other than formally constituted FOL / OWL ontologies, I think.    (4CKO)
	[9:54] ToddSchneider: MikeBennett, That's fine. It just needs to be described. The opening paragraph 
	of section 3 seems to be focused on 'ontology content'.    (4CKP)
	[9:51] KenBaclawski: I suggest that the use cases of all of the tracks be collected together in one 
	place on the wiki rather than being separated by tracks.    (4CKQ)
	[9:52] KenBaclawski: Then the communique should have a reference to this wiki page.    (4CKR)
	[10:16] PeterYim: @ALL (especially track champions) ... re. KenBaclawski [9:51] [9:52], Further to 
	Ken's suggestion on capturing use cases ... I've created the page where track champions can start 
	posting Use Cases, starting with those they have come across during their summit virtual panel 
	session - see: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases_Of_AppliedOntology_In_SemanticWeb_BigData    (4CKS)
	[9:58] SimonSpero: AmandaVizdom mentioned the W3 convention of See [1].... / [1] url    (4CKT)
	[9:59] AmandaVizedom: Thank you Simon, I hadn't identified that as a W3 convention, but that makes 
	sense as the source of the it. It seems to be the dominant citation mode in the SemWeb and Linked 
	Data communities, unless my sample is very skewed.    (4CKU)
	[10:00] LeoObrst: @AmandaVizdom, SimonSpero: yes, this is standard for many research paper formats.    (4CKV)
	[10:02] AmandaVizedom: Documenting by prior comment, if it useful, I'm willing to go through and 
	make sure that anything cited in the communique is in the community library on zotero, and/or to 
	group them into citable subcollections, specific to particular points in the communique for which 
	the availability of multiple references via a single citation would be good.    (4CKW)
	[10:03] AmandaVizedom: "Semantic Content" > "Semantic Resources"?    (4CKX)
	[10:03] AmandaVizedom: (for section 3)    (4CKY)
	[10:04] anonymous morphed into LamarHenderson    (4CKZ)
	[10:05] MikeBennett: The sentence in Para 1 of Section 2 does seem to cover what we had in mind 
	for "semantic content" when speaking to its re-use in Section 3.    (4CL0)
	[10:07] ToddSchneider: Leo, No.    (4CL1)
	[10:08] MikeBennett: @Amanda is what you are saying about "Semantic content" is that you interpret 
	the word "content" to refer to something at the instance level rather than the concepts in 
	ontologies?    (4CL2)
	[10:08] ToddSchneider: A resource may have 'content' which might be reused.    (4CL3)
	[10:08] AndreaWesterinen: I think that "resource" is overloaded also.    (4CL4)
	[10:09] SimonSpero: rdf:Resource    (4CL5)
	[10:09] SimonSpero: That should cover every Thing!    (4CL6)
	[10:09] SimonSpero: And "Thing!"    (4CL7)
	[10:10] ToddSchneider: Andrea, 'Resource' can have a large space of interpretations, but use of it 
	seems to meet the intent in the communique.    (4CL8)
	[10:10] AmandaVizedom: @MikeBennett [10:08], yes, that may be part of it. The information things to 
	be enhanced or represented via ontologies, etc., rather than the ontologies, etc. themselves.    (4CL9)
	[10:12] MikeBennett: There is one thing missing in Section 3: See @Amanda note in the doc at hh:009 
	04/10/14    (4CLA)
	[10:19] ... PeterYim: @FrancescaQuattri ... I put you on mute (since your line was generating some 
	noise), so please use *7 when you need to speak    (4CLB)
	[10:20] ... FrancescaQuattri: ok Peter, thanks    (4CLC)
	[10:21] MikeBennett: I think @Amanda sums up well the point I was driving at: (can't seem to 
	copy-paste it)    (4CLD)
	[10:27] MikeBennett: Further to @MikeBennett [10:21] I have written a fresh comment against 3.1.1 
	which I hope also captures this.    (4CLE)
	[10:22] ... ToddSchneider: Have to go. Cheers.    (4CLF)
	[10:23] ... PeterYim: @ChristophLange, @HensonGraves ... I put you on mute (since your line was 
	generating some noise), so please use *7 when you need to speak    (4CLG)
	[10:26] TerryLongstreth: Section 3 - should discuss Sharable content as a specific subsection.    (4CLH)
	[10:28] MikeBennett: It may also be worth calling out the distinction between re-use of ontologies 
	intended as industry standards, and ontologies which were built for specific applications. That is, 
	design for re-use versus opportunistic re-use.    (4CLI)
	[10:35] MikeBennett: I wonder if 3.1.4 and 3.1.5 are more about actually re-using as distinct  
	from "why isn't there?"    (4CLJ)
	[10:30] KenBaclawski: Sections 1, 2 and 4 all end with questions, but Section 3 ends with a 
	subsection on advice. It might be better to put all recommendations in Section 5.    (4CLK)
	[10:32] ... AmandaVizedom: Must leave early; apologies. Thanks, all.    (4CLL)
	[10:38] AndreaWesterinen: [action] Andrea will write up a new sub-section for Section 3 - 
	transitioning from problems to shareability and reuse, and then allowing a cleaner jump into best 
	practices. It will be emailed to the ontolog-summit mail list.    (4CLM)
	[10:46] TerryLongstreth: A question for Section 3: Are there examples of ontology usage that 
	illustrate the distinction between reuse and sharing of semantic content?    (4CLN)
	[10:50] AndreaWesterinen: @TerryLongstreth [10:46] Track A started with a bunch of questions. 
	Perhaps we should record these as well?    (4CLO)
	[10:53] MikeBennett: My response to Christoph's question about support, was that "design" was part 
	of the intended thing here. Or developing.    (4CLP)
	[10:55] MikeBennett: Hackathons: The Re-use hackathon illustrates some of the points made elsewhere 
	in the document.    (4CLQ)
	[10:55] ... ChristophLange: Sorry, I had dropped off the call for 2-3 minutes, back now    (4CLR)
	[10:57] PeterYim: == 4. Summary/wrap-up/announcements    (4CLS)
	[10:58] ShahanKhatchadourian: Thank you all. Very interesting discussion.    (4CLT)
	[10:58] FrancescaQuattri: all right. bye thanks.    (4CLU)
	[11:00] PeterYim: [action] MichaelGruninger & LeoObrst will make a post to the [ontology-summit] 
	list (after incorporating today's input) ... and will let people know that the deadline for comments 
	will be next Thursday Apr-24    (4CLV)
	[11:00] PeterYim: @ALL: join us next Thursday, when we will, hopefully, be tackling "Final Symposium 
	preparation and logistics" - ref. developing details at: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_24 and 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014_Communique/Draft    (4CLW)
	[11:00] PeterYim: @ALL: as announced earlier, by our Symposium co-chairs, Dr. Ram Sriram and 
	Professor TimFinin, our Apr 28~29 Symposium (at NSF in Greater Washington DC) registration in a few days. 
	Please register yourself now, if you haven't already! - see: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/WorkshopRegistration    (4CLX)
	[11:00] PeterYim: MichaelGruninger & LeoObrst: Very productive session ... thank you ALL!    (4CLY)
	[11:01] PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:56 am PDT --    (4CLZ)
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