ppy/OntologySummit2014-s14_chat-transcript_unedited_20140417a.txt ------ Chat transcript from room: summit_20140417 2014-04-17 GMT-08:00 [PDT] ------ [8:59] PeterYim: Welcome to the = OntologySummit2014 session-14: Communique Draft Review - Thu 2014-04-17 = Summit Theme: OntologySummit2014: "Big Data and Semantic Web Meet Applied Ontology" Session Topic: Session Topic: OntologySummit2014_Communique Finalization Session Co-chairs & Communique Co-Lead Editors: Professor MichaelGruninger and Dr. LeoObrst Agenda: * 1. Opening (MichaelGruninger, LeoObrst) ... see: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1n_28fM0GpEkp9Y_y1dUmHbCY0phjiF-1S8wrz32EtfQ/edit?usp=sharing * 2. Presentation of the latest draft of the Communique (co-lead editors: MichaelGruninger, LeoObrst) ** snapshot of working draft before this Communique Finalization session - http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologySummit2014/OntologySummit2014_Communique/wip/OntologySummit2014CommuniqueDraft_20140417-0900.pdf * 3. Review by section and open discussion towards finalizing the OntologySummit2014_Communique [ALL] * 4. Summary/wrap-up/announcements Logistics: * Refer to details on session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_17 ** Prepared Material - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_17#nid4C50 ** References - http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_17#nid4C4H * (if you haven't already done so) please click on "settings" (top center) and morph from "anonymous" to your RealName; also please enable "Show timestamps" while there. * Mute control (phone keypad): *7 to un-mute ... *6 to mute * Attn: Skype users ... see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_17#nid4C5F ** you may connect to (the skypeID) "joinconference" whether or not it indicates that it is online (i.e. even if it says it is "offline," you should still be able to connect to it.) ** if you are using skype and the connection to "joinconference" is not holding up, try using (your favorite POTS or VoIP line, etc.) either your phone, skype-out or google-voice and call the US dial-in number: +1 (206) 402-0100 ... when prompted enter Conference ID: 141184# ** Can't find Skype Dial pad? *** for Windows Skype users: Can't find Skype Dial pad? ... it's under the "Call" dropdown menu as "Show Dial pad" *** for Linux Skype users: if the dialpad button is not shown in the call window you need to press the "d" hotkey to enable it * when posting in this Chat-room, kindly observe the following ... ** whenever a name is used, please use the full WikiWord name format (every time you don't, some volunteer will have to make an edit afterwards) ** always provide context (like: "[ref. JaneDoe's slide#12], I think the point about context is great" ... rather than "that's great!" as the latter would mean very little in the archives.) ** when responding to a specific individual's earlier remarks, please cite his/her full WikiWord names *and* the timestamp (in PST) of his/her post that you are responding to (e.g. "@JaneDoe [11:09] - I agree, but, ...") ** use fully qualified url's (include http:// ) without symbols (like punctuations or parentheses, etc.) right before of after that URL Attendees: LeoObrst (co-chair), MichaelGruninger (co-chair), AmandaVizedom, AndreaWesterinen, BartGajderowicz, ChristiKapp, ChristophLange, DaliaVaranka, DennisWisnosky, FrancescaQuattri, HensonGraves, JimSolderitsch, KenBaclawski, LamarHenderson, MichaelRiben, MikeBennett, PeterYim (scribe), ShahanKhatchadourian, SimonSpero, SteveRay, TerryLongstreth, TimFinin, ToddSchneider == Proceedings == [9:24] anonymous morphed into JimSolderitsch [9:34] anonymous morphed into FrancescaQuattri [9:35] anonymous morphed into ShahanKhatchadourian [9:35] ShahanKhatchadourian: Hi everyone [9:36] anonymous morphed into DaliaVaranka [9:36] PeterYim: == MichaelGruninger starts session on behalf of the co-chairs ... see prepared material under: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_10#nid4C1E [9:36] MichaelGruninger: Key Discussion Questions: 1. General comments on content -- missing ideas, changes in emphasis, disagreements about content 2. Editorial comments [9:38] anonymous morphed into SimonSpero [9:43] AmandaVizedom: Reminder regarding making comments in the Google Doc: It helps the editors if comments are attributed to individuals, rather than anonymous, so that they can get clarification if needed. To make yourself non-anonymous in the Google Doc, go to the top right, to the left of the "Comments" button, you will see a square callout button. If you hover over this, it will say "join chat." Click this. It will open a chat window, which you can minimize. From this point, any comments you add will be attributed to you. [9:45] ... PeterYim: @MikeBennett ... I put you on mute (since your line was generating some noise), so please use *7 when you need to speak [9:46] ToddSchneider: In case I have to drop off, the description of 'semantic content' is section 3, "Reuse of semantic content can be defined as the ability to include content from one source in another, or simply to be inspired by the content in a source., is too vague and does not constrain the interpretation 'semantic content'. What constitutes 'content'? Youtube videos? Also, there's a forward reference to 'semantic content'. [9:48] AmandaVizedom: Point I just raised re section 2: In addition to Expressivity and Scalability, we also heard multiple presentations call out the significance of Modularity. That might be worth calling out in its own subsection. [9:49] ToddSchneider: Why just equate 'semantic content' with ontology content? [9:51] MikeBennett: @Todd [09:49] or "ontological content" - I think one possible angle was the existence of meaningful stuff in other than formally constituted FOL / OWL ontologies, I think. [9:54] ToddSchneider: MikeBennett, That's fine. It just needs to be described. The opening paragraph of section 3 seems to be focused on 'ontology content'. [9:51] KenBaclawski: I suggest that the use cases of all of the tracks be collected together in one place on the wiki rather than being separated by tracks. [9:52] KenBaclawski: Then the communique should have a reference to this wiki page. [10:16] PeterYim: @ALL (especially track champions) ... re. KenBaclawski [9:51] [9:52], Further to Ken's suggestion on capturing use cases ... I've created the page where track champions can start posting Use Cases, starting with those they have come across during their summit virtual panel session - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases_Of_AppliedOntology_In_SemanticWeb_BigData [9:58] SimonSpero: AmandaVizdom mentioned the W3 convention of See [1].... / [1] url [9:59] AmandaVizedom: Thank you Simon, I hadn't identified that as a W3 convention, but that makes sense as the source of the it. It seems to be the dominant citation mode in the SemWeb and Linked Data communities, unless my sample is very skewed. [10:00] LeoObrst: @AmandaVizdom, SimonSpero: yes, this is standard for many research paper formats. [10:02] AmandaVizedom: Documenting by prior comment, if it useful, I'm willing to go through and make sure that anything cited in the communique is in the community library on zotero, and/or to group them into citable subcollections, specific to particular points in the communique for which the availability of multiple references via a single citation would be good. [10:03] AmandaVizedom: "Semantic Content" > "Semantic Resources"? [10:03] AmandaVizedom: (for section 3) [10:04] anonymous morphed into LamarHenderson [10:05] MikeBennett: The sentence in Para 1 of Section 2 does seem to cover what we had in mind for "semantic content" when speaking to its re-use in Section 3. [10:07] ToddSchneider: Leo, No. [10:08] MikeBennett: @Amanda is what you are saying about "Semantic content" is that you interpret the word "content" to refer to something at the instance level rather than the concepts in ontologies? [10:08] ToddSchneider: A resource may have 'content' which might be reused. [10:08] AndreaWesterinen: I think that "resource" is overloaded also. [10:09] SimonSpero: rdf:Resource [10:09] SimonSpero: That should cover every Thing! [10:09] SimonSpero: And "Thing!" [10:10] ToddSchneider: Andrea, 'Resource' can have a large space of interpretations, but use of it seems to meet the intent in the communique. [10:10] AmandaVizedom: @MikeBennett [10:08], yes, that may be part of it. The information things to be enhanced or represented via ontologies, etc., rather than the ontologies, etc. themselves. [10:12] MikeBennett: There is one thing missing in Section 3: See @Amanda note in the doc at hh:009 April 10 [10:19] ... PeterYim: @FrancescaQuattri ... I put you on mute (since your line was generating some noise), so please use *7 when you need to speak [10:20] ... FrancescaQuattri: ok Peter, thanks [10:21] MikeBennett: I think @Amanda sums up well the point I was driving at: (can't seem to copy-paste it) [10:27] MikeBennett: Further to @MikeBennett [10:21] I have written a fresh comment against 3.1.1 which I hope also captures this. [10:22] ... ToddSchneider: Have to go. Cheers. [10:23] ... PeterYim: @ChristophLange, @HensonGraves ... I put you on mute (since your line was generating some noise), so please use *7 when you need to speak [10:26] TerryLongstreth: Section 3 - should discuss Sharable content as a specific subsection. [10:28] MikeBennett: It may also be worth calling out the distinction between re-use of ontologies intended as industry standards, and ontologies which were built for specific applications. That is, design for re-use versus opportunistic re-use. [10:35] MikeBennett: I wonder if 3.1.4 and 3.1.5 are more about actually re-using as distinct from "why isn't there?" [10:30] KenBaclawski: Sections 1, 2 and 4 all end with questions, but Section 3 ends with a subsection on advice. It might be better to put all recommendations in Section 5. [10:32] ... AmandaVizedom: Must leave early; apologies. Thanks, all. [10:38] AndreaWesterinen: [action] Andrea will write up a new sub-section for Section 3 - transitioning from problems to shareability and reuse, and then allowing a cleaner jump into best practices. It will be emailed to the ontolog-summit mail list. [10:46] TerryLongstreth: A question for Section 3: Are there examples of ontology usage that illustrate the distinction between reuse and sharing of semantic content? [10:50] AndreaWesterinen: @TerryLongstreth [10:46] Track A started with a bunch of questions. Perhaps we should record these as well? [10:53] MikeBennett: My response to Christoph's question about support, was that "design" was part of the intended thing here. Or developing. [10:55] MikeBennett: Hackathons: The Re-use hackathon illustrates some of the points made elsewhere in the document. [10:55] ... ChristophLange: Sorry, I had dropped off the call for 2-3 minutes, back now [10:57] PeterYim: == 4. Summary/wrap-up/announcements [10:58] ShahanKhatchadourian: Thank you all. Very interesting discussion. [10:58] FrancescaQuattri: all right. bye thanks. [11:00] PeterYim: [action] MichaelGruninger & LeoObrst will make a post to the [ontology-summit] list (after incorporating today's input) ... and will let people know that the deadline for comments will be next Thursday Apr-24 [11:00] PeterYim: @ALL: join us next Thursday, when we will, hopefully, be tackling "Final Symposium preparation and logistics" - ref. developing details at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2014_04_24 and http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014_Communique/Draft [11:00] PeterYim: @ALL: as announced earlier, by our Symposium co-chairs, Dr. Ram Sriram and Professor TimFinin, our Apr 28~29 Symposium (at NSF in Greater Washington DC) registration in a few days. Please register yourself now, if you haven't already! - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2014/WorkshopRegistration [11:00] PeterYim: MichaelGruninger & LeoObrst: Very productive session ... thank you ALL! [11:01] PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:56 am PDT -- ------