Concerning Nicola's suggested statement:
"Mapping local conceptual schemes [or ontologies, if you prefer] to
a common upper ontology is the most cost-effective method for
achieving scalable semantic interoperability." (01)
The problem I perceive there is that "mapping" is not the proper term
to use for the preferred situation where the meanings of the elements
in a domain knowledge base are actually specified by combinations of
the ontology elements in the CUO. To accommodate Matthew's grammatical
punctilio, I would rephrase it very generally: (02)
>> "The use of a common upper ontology is the most cost-effective
method for
>> achieving scalable semantic interoperability." (03)
. . . and leave it to the future to determine which methods of use
turn out to be the best. I would not have the second sentence,
implying a single SUO, in the same paragraph; that question should be
treated in a separate statement. (04)
Hmph. This reminds me of being rapped on the knuckles for starting a
definition "an accident is when . . ." Whack! "Nothing is when! An
accident is a situation!". The nuns could get away with that. (05)
Pat (06)
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Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 7:37 AM
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What about: (09)
"Mapping local conceptual schemes [or ontologies, if you prefer] to
a common upper ontology is the most cost-effective method for
achieving scalable semantic interoperability." (010)
Nicola (011)
On Mar 2, 2006, at 11:47 AM, West, Matthew R SIPC-DFD/321 wrote: (012)
> Dear Pat,
>
> OK getting picky now.
>
> A CUO is not a method...
>
> Regards
>
> Matthew
>
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>> Patrick J.
>> Sent: 01 March 2006 15:08
>> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
>> Subject: RE: [uos-convene] Other Approaches Too
>>
>>
>> OK, try again:
>>
>> "A common upper ontology is the most cost-effective method for
>> achieving scalable semantic interoperability."
>>
>> We can maintain a commentary on the UOS Wiki where individuals so
>> inclined can provide their interpretations of the various words in
>> the
>> statement, which would make that statement true in their view. That
>> would be a public place to express reservations.
>>
>> e.g. My first comment on "cost-effective" might be:
"cost-effective
>> by a wide margin over any other technique that has been proposed"
>>
>> Pat
>>
>> Patrick Cassidy
>> MITRE Corporation
>> 260 Industrial Way
>> Eatontown, NJ 07724
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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>> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill
>> Andersen
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2006 9:20 AM
>> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
>> Subject: Re: [uos-convene] Other Approaches Too.
>>
>> Thanks, Matthew...
>>
>> You know. I should read my own posts. What's wrong with saying
>> ROI? When we're talking about building computer systems and not
>> philosophy, that *is* what we're talking about in the end. Thanks
>> again.
>>
>> Shall we put this alongside the existing wording and see
>> which people
>> like better?
>>
>> .bill
>>
>> On Mar 1, 2006, at 04:14 , West, Matthew R SIPC-DFD/321 wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Bill,
>>>
>>> You say:
>>>
>>>> The point here is that the ROI from using ULO for both domain
>>>> ontology construction and for integration is higher than similar
>>>> attempts undertaken without ULO.
>>>
>>> I agree.
>>>
>>> I think this is what we really want to say, rather than whether it
>>> is essential or indeispensible. It is a simple economic argument
>>> that ought to be listened to by potential funders.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Matthew West
>>> Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager
>>> Shell International Petroleum Company Limited
>>> Shell Centre, London SE1 7NA, United Kingdom
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>>> [mailto:uos-convene-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of
>>>> Bill Andersen
>>>> Sent: 28 February 2006 23:47
>>>> To: Upper Ontology Summit convention
>>>> Subject: Re: [uos-convene] Other Approaches Too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Mike,
>>>>
>>>> See below.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 28, 2006, at 18:31 , Uschold, Michael F wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> To the extent that 'Indispensable' is a semantic dead-ringer for
>>>>> 'essential', this suggestion amounts to changing 'essential' to
>>>>> 'increasingly essential'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, indispensable and essential are pretty black and white
>>>>> concepts, Either it is or it is not.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not clear what 'increasingly essential's means. Nearer to
a
>>>>> state of being essential, crossing that b/w divide?
>>>>>
>>>>> The more I think about it, the more I'm ok with the other
wording,
>>>>> by I forget who.
>>>>>
>>>>> Something like "essential for affordable and ... semantic
>>>>> interoperability"
>>>>>
>>>>> This is less controversial.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not certain that "less controversial" is something we
>>>> ought to be
>>>> shooting for. The very position that ULO brings something
>>>> qualitatively different to building and successfully employing
>>>> ontologies is what's being assumed in this forum by its
>>>> participants. I don't know about the other "public" participants,
>>>> but we at Ontology Works have had much success applying our ULO
and
>>>> Barry Smith documents similar success:
>>>>
>>>> Jonathan Simon, James Matthew Fielding and Barry Smith, "Using
>>>> Philosophy to Improve the Coherence and Interoperability of
>>>> Applications Ontologies: A Field Report on the Collaboration of
>>>> IFOMIS and L&C", in Gregor Büchel, Bertin Klein and Thomas Roth-
>>>> Berghofer (eds.), Proceedings of the First Workshop on
>>>> Philosophy and
>>>> Informatics. Deutsches Forschungszentrum für künstliche
>> Intelligenz,
>>>> Cologne: 2004, 65-72.
>>>> http://ontology.buffalo.edu/medo/FOBKSI.pdf
>>>>
>>>> The point here is that the ROI from using ULO for both domain
>>>> ontology construction and for integration is higher than similar
>>>> attempts undertaken without ULO. Thus, I don't think Barry's
>>>> wording
>>>> is too strong at all. I would dare say that the onus is on
>>>> those who
>>>> advocate some other path to show that ULO does not have these
>>>> differential ROI benefits. To do that, they would have to say how
>>>> they, without ULO, would have reproduced all the same results -
and
>>>> at less cost. Such trade studies are sadly lacking.
>>>>
>>>> .bill
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