Couple of points catching up on the last day's posts after travelling: (01)
- Matthew: Why throw "categories" into the pot? I'm not sure how "apple",
"shop" and "customer" can fit as concepts (sorry, but we're running out of
terms (including this one) for this meta-discussion) in your definition - they
aren't "categories" in any sense, and certainly not relationships or rules, but
I would argue the three "things" are nonetheless an ontology, albeit of very
limited expressiveness... (02)
- "it excludes the informal (non computer interpretable) ontologies that were
written in English that the draft document seemed to be wanting to include"...
I'm not sure I want to have to cope with the implications of opening the
floodgates potentially to all Chomskian transformational grammar - we're having
a hard enough time with formal ontologies aren't we?! (03)
- I do like Chris Partridge's comment about making a distinction between
Ontology and ontology (-ies): this could indeed take some of the heat out of
what seem to be exchanges between two approaches.... (04)
- I do think we need to reserve a few keywords for our meta-discussion if we
are to be able to continue to function as debating beings for this Summit! I'm
starting to mangle "thing", "term", "concept" to express the "...?"'s we're
talking about... or am I defying Gödel's incompleteness theorem? (05)
Peter (06)
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Dear Mike, (08)
> Its almost good enough... But an ontology is more than just
> about terms.
>
> How about:
>
> "a formal description of terms that represent concepts and
> relationships in as
> chosen subject matter of interest" (09)
This first rather assumes something lexical in nature, and would
not include, say a concept system where concepts were identified
by integers (with possibly multiple names) rather than the terms
you tend to see in e.g. KIF ontologies. (010)
Secondly it excludes the informal (non computer interpretable)
ontologies that were written in English that the draft document
seemed to be wanting to include. (011)
Thirdly, this would seem to force different representations
(say OWL or CLIF) of the same assertions to be different ontologies
because it says "a formal description of..." not what the formal
description is of. (012)
I will suggest as an alternative. (013)
"categories, relationships and rules of a domain" (014)
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter F Brown [mailto:peter@xxxxxxxxxx]
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> I agree: we've worked with the definition "a formal descriptions of
> terms and the relationships between them" [1] as being good enough to
> know what we talking about when we're talking about what we're talking
> about...and "good enough" should be good enough.
>
> Peter
>
> [1] From 'OASIS Reference Model for Service-Oriented
> Architecture', p17,
> see
> http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/19679/soa-rm-cs.pdf
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>
> Surely after 15 years we can do better than "specification of a
> conceptualization"? Isn't it time we put that one to rest?
>
> -Chris
>
> Obrst, Leo J. wrote:
> > All,
> >
> > Here is our draft statement about the Ontology Framework. We invite
> > you to consider and discuss this -- now and in next week's
> sessions.
> > We intend this to be an inclusive characterization of what
> an ontology
>
> > is. Inclusive: meaning that we invite you to consider where you and
> > your community is with respect to these dimensions. If you have
> > concerns or issues, restatements or elaborations, please
> let us know
> > now and next week. This will shortly be posted on the Framework Wiki
> page:
> >
> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2007_Fra
> meworksFor
> Consideration.
> >
> >
> > Thanks much,
> >
> > Tom Gruber, Michael Gruninger, Pat Hayes, Deborah McGuinness, Leo
> > Obrst
> >
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