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Re: [ontology-summit] PLEASE, PLEASE!!

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From: "Steve Ray" <ray@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 10:03:28 -0500
Message-id: <00df01c76000$98f3a7c0$ad210681@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Also, don't forget that the question is really "can we define a scale within
which one can place true ontologies, thesauri, folksonomies, etc.?". To answer
that, we MAY have to answer "what is an ontology".    (01)

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of Chris Welty
> Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 8:05 PM
> To: Ontology Summit 2007 Forum
> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] PLEASE, PLEASE!!
> 
> 
> Agreed.  I hear enough of this crap elsewhere, let's focus on 
> ontology.
> 
> -Chris
> 
> Nicola Guarino wrote:
> > Folks,
> > 
> > these discussions are very nice, but I don't think they are 
> directly 
> > related to the main focus of this list, i.e. the Ontology 
> Summit 2007, 
> > which is supposed to concentrate on the question "what is 
> an ontology".
> > 
> > I am already having a VERY hard time following the ontology summit 
> > discussion, and these recent messages don't really help to keep the 
> > discussion focused.
> > 
> > I am afraid I have just to give up any kind of active 
> presence if the 
> > discussion on this list goes out of its main focus.
> > 
> > Best,
> > 
> > Nicola
> > 
> > On 5 Mar 2007, at 22:31, John F. Sowa wrote:
> > 
> >> Leo,
> >>
> >> To continue my point that efficiency *always* depends on 
> what you're 
> >> trying to do, I would like to address the problem of finding a 
> >> consistent set of constraints:
> >>
> >>> I, as usual, recommend the
> >>> description logic complexity navigator:
> >>>    http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~ezolin/logic/complexity.html
> >>
> >> Given a set of arbitrary first-order constraints, the problem of 
> >> proving consistency is NP complete.  Yet every SQL 
> database permits 
> >> arbitrary first-order constraints.
> >>
> >> Q: How is possible to prove that the constraints are consistent?
> >>
> >> A: Trivially.
> >>
> >> The point is that no database designer *ever* begins with an 
> >> arbitrary set of constraints.  They *always* begin with 
> some actual 
> >> data -- a sample DB that shows what kind of data they 
> expect to work 
> >> with.
> >>
> >> That sample DB consists of a set of entities and a set of 
> relations 
> >> that are assumed to be true of those entities.
> >> In other words, the starting point is a Tarski-style model.
> >>
> >> Although *finding* a model is NP complete, the task of
> >> *checking* constraints is trivial, if a model is given.
> >>
> >> Given a proposed set of first-order constraints that do 
> not depend on 
> >> any recursive definitions -- i.e., anything expressible in 
> SQL WHERE 
> >> clauses -- the evaluation time in terms of a sample model 
> takes, in 
> >> the worst case -- polynomial time.
> >>
> >> If all the constraints turn out to be true of the model, then they 
> >> are consistent.  If any of them turn out to be false, either throw 
> >> them away or revise them to make them true.
> >>
> >> Bottom line:  If you're trying to define axioms or 
> definitions for an 
> >> ontology, a database, or a knowledge base, it's a good 
> idea to start 
> >> with at least one illustrative example.
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >>
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> > Nicola Guarino
> > 
> > Editor in Chief, Applied Ontology (IOS Press)
> > 
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> > 
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> > 
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