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From: Doug Holmes <dholmes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:18:25 -0800
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John,
        Answers my question and makes sense to me.  Thanks,
Doug    (01)

On Jan 25, 2007, at 10:23 AM, John F. Sowa wrote:    (02)

> Leo, Steve, and Doug,
>
> To start with Leo's concluding comment,
>
> LO> So I am not convinced that (ontology = logical theory) only.
>
> The relevant clause of the definition specifies that an ontology
> is a theory that
>
>     characterizes the entities of some domain, which may be
>     concrete or abstract, real or virtual.
>
> That distinguishes an ontology from a theory that just states
> some arbitrary facts about some entities that may be defined,
> specified, or identified elsewhere.
>
> LO> Although mathematical theories are abstract, are they not
>> a part of the world?  By part of the world, I don't necessarily
>> mean empirically determinable (though even this can beg the
>> question).
>
> That gets into philosophical issues that can be left to other
> discussions.  My short answer is that a pure (i.e., unapplied)
> mathematical theory defines abstract entities that are outside
> any kind of space-time coordinates.  Therefore, it would be odd
> or unusual to say that they were "part" of anything physical,
> but they might be "applied" to something physical.
>
> The next two comments are closely related:
>
> SR> We were trying to come up with a categorization scheme into
>> which we could place everything that anyone calls an ontology,
>> whether it is computer processable or not, consistent or not,
>> correct or not.
>
> DH> So, then what should said about folksonomies, topic maps,
>> lots of schema that were devised without a theory in mind, and
>> all those others that seem to be used "like" these theories?
>> In my view, at least, we were trying to understand and somehow
>> characterize the common ground that links all these things.
>
> Several points:
>
>   1. I explicitly said "formal ontology", but I agree that a more
>      general definition should say how the other kinds of things
>      are related to a formal ontology.
>
>   2. My definition of logic includes natural languages as supersets
>      of any or all of the formal logics that have ever been invented.
>      Therefore, definitions in natural languages are also acceptable
>      for an ontology, although a machine might not be able to  
> interpret
>      them.  I would call them informal ontologies.
>
>   3. My definition of theory is also very general:  Any set of axioms
>      stated in any version of logic, which would include natural
>      languages for the informal theories.
>
>   4. Re folksonomies:  I hate that term because it sounds disparaging.
>      I have nothing against informal classifications, many of which
>      are superior to some of the so-called formal ones.
>
>   5. Re topic maps:  I consider them a form of logic, and some  
> versions
>      of TMs have been formally specified, but other versions are used
>      in a way that would put them in the informal category.
>
>   6. Re "lots of schema that were devised without a theory in mind":
>      The fact that a theory has not been formally specified does not
>      imply that the author has "no theory in mind".  On the contrary,
>      people have lots of theories in their minds, which for better
>      or worse have major impacts on what they do.  As my favorite
>      philosopher C. S. Peirce said, "Every man of us has a  
> metaphysics,
>      and has to have one; and it will influence his life greatly.
>      Far better, then, that that metaphysics should be criticized
>      and not be allowed to run loose."
>
>   7. Re common ground:  If we generalize the definition by deleting
>      the word "formal", we get a definition that includes all of the
>      other proposals.
>
> Following is my previous definition, but generalized to include
> informal as well as formal theories:
>
>     An ontology is a theory expressed in some language, natural or
>     artificial, that defines the types, relations, and functions
>     that characterize the entities of some domain, which may be
>     concrete or abstract, real or virtual.
>
> If you add the word "formal", then the language must be some
> version of formal logic, which could be stated in a formalized
> or controlled natural language.  Aristotle's original syllogisms,
> for example, are a version of formal logic stated in a controlled
> dialect of Greek.
>
> John Sowa
>
>
>
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