Peter and all - following up on your recent reminder, I have a related question
that maybe can also help me decide how better to gear the keyword
extraction and sorting for the framework. (01)
Are the 'promoters' of the framework, or anyone one else, intending
to suggest any application for it? How can people use the framework as
developed so far? (02)
Thanks! (03)
PDM (04)
On 10/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Peter
> Thanks for the reminder
>
> I have not put in any further effort, but the requirement is still
> there, to map the existing body of work onto the framework -
>
> I think the keyword project was suggested from the need to find a way
> to 'map' the resources using terms and concepts expressed as tags
> referencing the framework -
> the idea seemed to gear into Kurt and Ontologizing efforts,
>
> so to help us make a decision on how to proceed best
>
> 1. status of Kurt and Ontologizing efforts in their respective
> projects- I Kurt do you have an outline and any activity from your
> side to share? do you see scope for synergy? Is yours a personal
> project?
>
> 2. Deborah, you seemed interested in working on this, apols I did not
> follow up, are you still up for it shall we make a plan? anyone else
> interested?
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Paola Di Maio
>
>
> On 10/5/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Paola,
> >
> > Ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
> >
> > Almost a month has passed since you brought up, and posted your intent
> > to start this "ProjectKeywords" as an Ontolog community project.
> >
> > We haven't seen much activity in getting that off the ground since
> > (you may be putting in a lot of effort, its just that it is not
> > obvious to the community.)
> >
> > Therefore, please consider whether you would still want to proceed, or
> > whether you would just want to run this as a personal project (or even
> > running it in a different setting.) ... Either way, I think we should
> > have a disposition, and bring closure to the matter one way or the
> > other.
> >
> > Let me know.
> >
> > Thanks & regards. =ppy
> > --
> >
> >
> > On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Sure Peter
> > >
> > > I have placed an entry under 'projects' , with a preliminary list of
> > > keywords to be hacked
> > > and a couple of links and mails are already on the list - we can do a
> > > more formal call after we get the feedback from the people more
> > > immediately concerned
> > > thanks a lot for your support
> > > it is after all midnight, and I am still at my desk
> > > sic
> > > cheers
> > > pdm
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/6/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > No problem ... (just getting teething problems out of the way), Paola.
> > > >
> > > > Project meetings only needs to suite the project team members, and do
> > > > not have to be on done at the "regular" Ontolog weekly meeting time
> > > > slots (in fact, most don't.) I regularly confer with parties in Asia
> > > > (and different parts of the world) myself ... therefore (of course,
> > > > depending on who else is on the team too), your location should not
> > > > pose major problems to synchronous meeting. Worse case ... please use
> > > > the mailing list and "meet" asynchronously.
> > > >
> > > > Since you've started this, please continue and make a call for
> > > > participation to the forum when you are ready for it. You can suggest
> > > > a tentative meeting date and then work out the final meeting date/time
> > > > after you have a team.
> > > >
> > > > The important thing is that the project is done in an open,
> > > > transparent, community process, that is properly documented ... and
> > > > that the process, in addition to the deliverables, gets captured into
> > > > the Ontolog dynamic knowledge repository (dubbed our "collaborative
> > > > work environment".)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks & regards. =ppy
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > Sorry Peter
> > > > >
> > > > > I am totally extemporal
> > > > >
> > > > > The project page is started with some preliminary notes today, and it
> > > > > is open for the community to change and make a meeting date as per the
> > > > > commnity charter
> > > > > I have a problem with meeting times, as i am the other side of the
>world
> > > > > as you know. In the meantime, I have started some keywords for
>discussion
> > > > > anyone who wants to take the next step, please add your name on the
>project page
> > > > > and suggest next steps including the meeting and other issues
> > > > >
> > > > > cheers
> > > > > P
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/5/07, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > [PDM] (c) Launch date - Today!
> > > > > > > I do not forsee the need for a 'meeting as such', ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [ppy] The requirement for a project charter and a team (minimum 3
> > > > > > people) is to ensure that projects being hosted are actually
> > > > > > "community" projects and not "personal" projects.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I appreciate your attitude towards the matter, Paola, but please
>also
> > > > > > help keep the community process intact.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks. =ppy
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 9/5/07, paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > > > > Peter, Deborah
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > while I was writing the email I was also thinking 'should i
>volunteer
> > > > > > > ' but then deleted the thought and went on with my chores -
>thanks for
> > > > > > > the encouragement
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It makes sense to develop a single set of keywords, events
>should use
> > > > > > > the same tag set as all other resources, so I suggest project
>Keywords
> > > > > > > is started, draft here
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ProjectKeywords
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'll start extracting and list the keywords from the framework,
>and we
> > > > > > > can take it from there?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > everyone welcome to edit/add/change including those who have
>already
> > > > > > > started similar efforts
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Some suggestions for discussion below
> > > > > > > - shall we continue this thread on the ontologizing mailing list?
>(cc)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (a) a project title
> > > > > > > Project Keywords (towards a thesaurus)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (b) goals:
> > > > > > > To make a list of tags to associate with our resources
> > > > > > > Such list should be structured and should reflect where possible
>the framework
> > > > > > > Such list should also serve as possible launch pad for new ideas
>to be
> > > > > > > incorporated in the framework at a later date (keywords not in the
> > > > > > > framework can be used )
> > > > > > > The purpose of the list of tags is to start forming a semantic
> > > > > > > structure against which we can map existing and forthcoming
>resources
> > > > > > > Quality of the list: The terms used should be unambiguos and well
>defined
> > > > > > > We can use synonyms where more than one choice of term is possible
> > > > > > > The keywords produced on this list can be used/merged with other
>related efforts
> > > > > > > This project shall end when we have enough keywords to map our
> > > > > > > resources against our domain (likely to remain ongoin)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Deliverables
> > > > > > > ---------------------
> > > > > > > a set of keyterms mapped around the framework
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Suggested Process:
> > > > > > > ------------------------------
> > > > > > > Phase one
> > > > > > > ------------------
> > > > > > > 1) make an initial list of keywords that define the framework
>(extract
> > > > > > > these from the framework statment and diagrams (paola volunteers
>to
> > > > > > > do this first step)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) ask the author of each document on the wiki to extract the
>keywords
> > > > > > > from their document/presentation/slides onto the keywords of the
> > > > > > > framework
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Phase two
> > > > > > > --------------------
> > > > > > > set up discussion as required
> > > > > > > Merge/evolve the set of keywords using other sets of keywords
>produced
> > > > > > > by related efforts
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Phase three
> > > > > > > --------------------
> > > > > > > Produce a working document (deliverable)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (c) Launch date - Today! .
> > > > > > > I do not forsee the need for a 'meeting as such', but should
>anyone
> > > > > > > have anything to discuss or questions that cannot be handled by
>email
> > > > > > > they can call a meeting anytime.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am available on skype /blogconthai/ anytime (well before 10 Pm
>BKK
> > > > > > > time is good for me,) and on gmail - I am also happy to work
>asynch
> > > > > > > I have opened a chat room on skype for voice and text
> > > > > > >
>http://ui.skype.com/ui/0/3.2.0.148/en/publicchats-join?skypename=blogconthai&topic=Ontology%20Keywords&blob=CFbslW-yDnKHbko2iKrF5kPFyPi0jyRMgut6Z1x0su_7_2GlBR06wbRBLjsQqd-uOYoHGtI
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [1], Ken Baclawsaki > is championing a similar exercise for
>artifacts
> > > > > > > collected from the
> > > > > > > > OntologySummit2007_Survey
> > > > > > > ken - can you share your tags so far?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > [2] > ... some coordination between this potential task team
>and his, and,
> > > > > > > > as previously mentioned, to the OntologTaxoThesaurus project
>work
> > > > > > > please Ontotaxo group point to the latest list of tems extracted,
>at
> > > > > > > least we can start looking at it? Shall we continue this thread
>on
> > > > > > > the ontologizing list to keep the coordination going?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Cheers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > PDM
> > > > > > >
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