On Thu, April 3, 2014 01:14, Richard H. McCullough wrote: (01)
> The Objectivist Axioms describe the epistemology of man --
> how he perceives and conceives the external world. (02)
Could you state them in plain English, please? If you are using
terms in non-standard ways, could you define them in plain English,
as well? (03)
> They are the foundation of all man's languages and knowledge. (04)
If they are the foundation, they must predate. Obviously, people didn't
know these axioms before language was invented, much less before
knowledge existed. So you must mean something else by "foundation". (05)
Could you re-state the intent of the previous sentence in terms that
could be understood by someone not well versed in Ayn Rand? (06)
Thanks! (07)
-- doug foxvog (08)
> Dick McCullough
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>> Subject: Re: mKR proof of correctness
>> From: phayes@xxxxxxx
>> Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 22:21:15 -0500
>> CC: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx;
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>> On Apr 2, 2014, at 5:10 PM, Richard H. McCullough
>> <rhmccullough@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> > John
>> >
>> > I don't want there to be any doubt about what I'm saying,
>> > so I'm devoting one extra email to this topic.
>> >
>> > The mKR language is proved semantically correct
>> > because the mKR run-time system guarantees
>> > that the Objectivist Axioms are satisfied.
>>
>> I actually laughed out loud when I read this. First, I have no idea what
>> you mean by proving a language to be semantically correct, but claiming
>> anything semantic **because some axioms are present** misses the entire
>> point of having semantics in the first place, which is to connect formal
>> sentences with claims about the actual world. Then again there is your
>> conflation of semantics with a 'run-time system', which I take it means
>> a system that performs inferences. But without an independent semantics,
>> how does one know that these inferences are valid or complete? The
>> general problem of proving that a program is correct is still open, of
>> course, but any approach to even defining what this means requires that
>> the language of the program has some kind of separate semantics. If the
>> run-time system *Is* the semantics then 'correctness' is trivial to
>> prove - the program does what the program does - but also trivially
>> meaningless. But the final howler here is the idea that Ayn Rand's
>> thoughts might have anything, even the shred of a remotest connection,
>> to do with correctness, in any sense of that word.
>>
>> IF your notation had a semantic theory that would enable an objective
>> check to be made on its validity, and IF you could then show that those
>> axioms were satisfied AND that your run-time system preserved truth (or
>> whatever your semantics calls it), then you might reasonably claim that
>> mKE had a property that one might call Randianicity: conformity to the
>> thoughts of Ayn Rand. But to call this property "semantic correctness"
>> is simply farcical.
>>
>> Pat Hayes
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Dick McCullough
>> > Context Knowledge Systems
>> > mKE and the mKR language
>> > mKR/mKE tutorial
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