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 To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx John F Sowa Mon, 31 Mar 2014 21:15:11 -0400 <533A131F.8040302@xxxxxxxxxxx>
 ```Dick,    (01) In mathematics (and mathematical logic), symbols have exactly the same meaning at each occurrence, and there are systematic rules for relating the symbols to one another. The following examples show that the symbols have no fixed meaning, and there are no rules for doing anything whatsoever with them.    (02) > Rand: > Consciousness :: I am conscious. > and then she goes on for many pages explaining how > there is a subject and object of conscious awareness, > and how perceptions are automatic.    (03) For the first line, "consciousness" and "I am conscious" are two very different, but related expressions. What does the symbol '::' mean? How does it relate the two sides?    (04) > Rand: > Existence :: Existence exists. > Rand says this is the only way to describe this axiomatic concept > in a proposition. She spends many pages describing > various aspects of existents.    (05) The two sides of '::' in this example are related in a totally different way from the two sides above. Either Rand is being very sloppy with her notation, or you didn't quote her exactly.    (06) > mKR: > Existence :: entity, characteristic, proposition isa existent;    (07) This is yet a third way of using the symbol '::'. Either Rand is being sloppy, you are being sloppy, or neither of you has a clue about how to reason precisely.    (08) > I summarize the many pages where > she talks about the identities of entities (and existents) with > Identity :: existent has characteristic;    (09) This is a fourth way of using the symbol '::'.    (010) _________________________________________________________________ Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/ Config Subscr: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/ Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/ Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ To join: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid1J    (011) ```
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