Re: [ontolog-forum] what wisdom would you impart?

[Ray Martin <marsaviator@xxxxxxxxx>]

Good Sir,

i have absolutely no comprehension of your answer.

to clarify my note: all that i meant was "this is an experiment" - not something on which i will make boko bucks if an expert were to share something useful.

also, the intent of my note is to inform that my question cannot be answered with something like HP's HAVEn: http://www8.hp.com/us/en/software-solutions/big-data-platform-haven.html - may be great, but i cannot afford it.  besides, in the haven architecture, i do not see things like NIF (NLP Interchange Format), as an example. These guys, http://nlp2rdf.org/ , have something interesting. Because when i try Stanford Core NLP or their TMT, Mallet, Jena, Sesame, Stardog, Protege, ThManager, (can't afford PoolParty), concept/topic models - i run into walls. i have trouble getting the data to flow or interchange, if you will.  All are excellent efforts - great open source implementations from folks willing to share - but, they are still islands (even when considering RDF/SPARQL).

the other issue that i have is the categorization by capability/type of ontology as presented here: http://www.jfsowa.com/ontology/gloss.htm

as a non-expert, i struggle at how to approach design and utilization of ontology if it were one of the three - prototype-base, formal, terminological.  i am attempting to learn which type of ontology is useful where. now that is info that is harder to come by - but, i'll get there.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:50 PM, John Bottoms <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Ray,

You've definitely done some thinking about the needs to move forward.
These are part of "Go West Young Man, Go West" movement. Horace Greely's
statement was mostly about hand-waving, implying that all you have to do
is "Go West" and things will be better. It is also "Plastics". All of
these types of statements are satirical in that they are diagnostic but
not prescriptive. Those of us interested in useful ontologies need to
help others understand the uses of ontologies. This is one of the issues
with Linked Data. We are encouraged to make data available but it is
difficult to put metrics on the conversions.

So, if you do decide to "Go West", the real questions relate to finding
a scout or guide, buying horse and wagon, deciding how you finance your
trip and what will you do once you get there. In marketing terms these
are generally covered by the rubric of defining the migration path. We
make light of IBM's Watson and MIT's Affective Robots, but we must
realize they each are part of the process in defining the migration
path. Commercial enterprises operate best when there is a viable
migration path and each step is self-funding with discretionary money or
O.P.M., Other People's Money.

-John Bottoms
  FirstStar Systems
  Concord, MA USA

On 1/14/2014 9:47 AM, Ray Martin wrote:
> Passing through your favorite little coffee shop, you see a RE-USER
> sipping coffee and scratching on a napkin.  The napkin contains
> several use cases and a diagram like the attached.
>
> From your expert position and experience, what few words of wisdom
> would you provide to the re-user?
>
> There are decades of articles, ideas, and theories.  There are
> examples coded for various pieces.  There are great open source
> projects that have answers to parts of the attached diagram.
>
> (Note: this is NOT a funded project. it is merely a learning
> experience for the re-user.)
>
> How does one build quality integrable ontology utilizing excellent
> efforts that have gone before?  where are the starting points? where
> are the pitfalls?
>

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