Re: [ontolog-forum] Why a data model does not an ontology make

[Adrian Walker <adriandwalker@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Gary & All,

Gary wrote:

"how to map a description in NL to very readable diagrams and how to use
 them as a basis for ontology and for application development."

There is an approach that covers this, at least for Q/A over databases, except that it omits the diagrams.  There's a version live online at the site below, with many examples one can view and run using a browser.

The idea is to ask folks to specify their apps in open vocabulary executable English, and automatically compile that to rules and SQL, then run it.  

So, NL= This requires some design trade offs, making it very different from Attempto-like controlled English systems, but it works.

Comments appreciated.

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On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 11:37 AM, Gary Berg-Cross <gbergcross@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Michel,

I took John's ideas of issues to include Robert's described need for:
"a methodology and a set of tools along the lines he describes" used for

"how to map a description in NL to very readable diagrams and how to use them as a basis for ontology and for application development."

Gary Berg-Cross

On Sat, Mar 30, 2013 at 11:33 AM, Michel Dumontier <michel.dumontier@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

 

But what was produced failed to address the requirements Tim proposed
and many others (including Robert and me) believe are essential.

can you list/summarize the requirements and why you think the steps that the semantic web effort has made do *not* contribute to those requirements ?

 

I would also like to comment on the phrase "rooted in natural language".
Robert gives several examples of how to map a description in NL to
very readable diagrams and how to use them as a basis for ontology
and for application development.

Slides 26 to 30 give some examples in OWL, and later slides show how
to map OWL to the DOGMA diagrams and methodology.

Just for comparison, following is a controlled English statement for
the example shown in slides 26 to 28:

     A CS professor is a professor who either teaches a CS course
     or belongs to a CS department.

Following is a translation of the sentence to typed first-order logic:

    (Forall x:Professor) (CSprofessor(x) iff
       ((Exists y:CScourse) teaches(x,y))
       or ((Exists z:CSdepartment) belongsTo(x,z) )

I strongly agree with the basic points Robert makes.  I believe that
a methodology and a set of tools along the lines he describes would
be extremely valuable for practical ontology development and use.

Note that he presented these slides in 2007 -- six years ago.
The Semantic Web would be far more widely used today if the SW
developers had seriously addressed these issues.

which issues are those exactly?

 

m.

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Michel Dumontier

Associate Professor of Bioinformatics, Carleton University

Chair, W3C Semantic Web for Health Care and the Life Sciences Interest Group

http://dumontierlab.com

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