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Re: [ontolog-forum] Ontology of Commands

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From: John Bottoms <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 19:23:03 -0400
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WmB,

I concur with BillF's observation. But I think we need to address the question more broadly in order to understand how the analysis works.

If I say, "Twist the celery!", that statement entails other entities. It is a statement, a part of a procedure as Bill said, that only makes sense if it is given to someone else, so that invokes all of the concepts necessary of a duality analysis. These include: an actor, a context and a temporal setting, at a minimum.

In terms of commands, does it make sense to group all commands together somewhere in the ontology? Is there a lexicon of commands? Do cooking commands go in the same ontology as hunting commands? (I should observe that a linguist might very well follow a subject around for a week, writing down all commands together, but it would likely be an intermediate step in the creation of a lexicon.)

In my view it makes more sense to start with a problem statement. What was going on when someone said "twist the celery"? I believe you can only do a semantic or linguistic analysis, once you understand what problem is to be solved. And, You may want to stop at the point of a semantic analysis when you have understood the concepts, and don't need to understand them in a context. But the more complete view is that a command entails the completion of a task within a context at some time, and it assumes that some reporting is implied. (5 minutes later, "aye sir, the celery has been twisted!")

I would also need to know if the command can be applied to oneself, such as "I need to remember to 'twist the celery'", when I go to the grocery store. In that sense the command is one of a number of meanings or rules, that I prepare to be executed at some later time.

-John Bottoms
 FirstStar Systems
 Concord, MA

On 4/27/2012 7:01 PM, William Frank wrote:
You bring up what to me is a critical missing ingredient in most computer communications:

a command is a kind of speech act.

consider the _expression_ of a proposition

cat  in box

this gives us a picture of the way something in the world *could* be

a command is a direction to some actor to make the proposition true:

command to Tom (cat in box)

in English, "tom, put the cat in the box"

similary, a question is a speech act

question (cat in box)

in English: is the cat in the box?

invarient rule (cat in box)

in English" the cat must be in the box at all times

statement (cat in box)

In English: the cat IS in the box.

so could be

hope (cat in box)

like when (cat in box)


So, when one systems just sends another a picture of a transaction, what is missing is whether this is a request to make execute the transaction, and what system is expected to carry out the request, versus whether this is an assertion that the transaction has been exectuted, and by whom, etc

When the speech act and the actors are made explicit, the two communcating systems are more loosely coupled to each other, and better interoperation can be achieved.




On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Burkett, William [USA] <burkett_william@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello, Ontologists – I’ve got a question that’s been ping-ponging around my brain lately and thought I’d solicit your input.

 

What is a “command” in an ontological sense?   I can certainly envision a hierarchical part-of structure of commands, but is it accurate to interpret this as a kind of process decomposition (e.g., a Script in the sense of http://www.jfsowa.com/ontology/toplevel.htm)?  While a process connotes a “do”, it doesn’t necessary connote “go do”, as a command/imperative would.   What is a “command” in the real world?

 

Context of question:  In a SOA-based software development effort, how would ontological principles help with naming/function of services and commands offered through the service interface?

 

What do you think?  (Is that a dangerous question to ask this crowd?  ;-))

 

Bill

 

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