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To: Ron Wheeler <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2012 17:53:16 -0400
Message-id: <CAGdcwD3ma5O3Gr=gJjxgj48XOF11zGHJXDXEO_LvnuSq2825LA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Ron,    (01)

You're close ... It is far from being onerous. Therefore, it baffles
me why Brand would rather make such infringement on his AOL Government
blog rather than complying with our use license (as per Leo's request)
or take down the material (which obviously is his prerogative too.)    (02)

As I mentioned in my last message, let's do this off-list, if you
really want to know more. I don't think discussing this a certain
member's unethical or illegal behavior deserves the valuable time and
attention of our community members. Even then, I probably wouldn't
want to spend a lot of time on it either.    (03)

Regards. =ppy
--    (04)


On Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Ron Wheeler
<rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I did follow Leo's link.
> I couldn't find anything in the links that talked about restrictions on
> using open content.
> I probably missed the right part since I started with the OPL stuff and did
> not find much of help there.
> The cc by-sa 3.0 link was more helpful but does not seem very onerous.
> - Attribution and let people know the original license.
> - Make the derived work available.
>
> Is it just that he did not mention that the content from the Summit that he
> referenced, was available under OPL v1.0 or (cc by-sa 3.0) ?
>
> Is there an "official" attribution statement that people should use or is it
> up to them to decide on the wording?
>
> To me it appears that he would also have to allow people to have a copy of
> the MindTouch version of the information.
> I would not think that he is obliged to supply them with a copy of the
> MindTouch software.
>
> Have I got this right?
>
> I think that this is a useful discussion regardless of the specific instance
> that prompted it.
>
>
> Ron
> --
> Ron Wheeler
> President
> Artifact Software Inc
> email: rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> skype: ronaldmwheeler
> phone: 866-970-2435, ext 102    (05)


> On 15/04/2012 1:15 PM, Peter Yim wrote:
>>
>> Ron,
>>
>> Leo provided the link in his message already. One would need to read
>> that, and follow the links from the documentation there (if one needs
>> further explanation). I trust the details are clear enough. Of course,
>> to understand the context, one would also need to be aware of Brand
>> recent posts relating to the Ontology Summit content that led to Leo's
>> statement about Brand's infringement on our IPR.)
>>
>> The bottom line is (as Leo has already clearly pointed out), if Brand
>> wants to use the Ontology Summit material, he needs to comply with the
>> open content use license that came with it.
>>
>> Feel free to ping me off-list, because I sure don't want to talk about
>> Brand on this list (although that's probably what he would enjoy
>> seeing.)
>>
>> Regards. =ppy
>> --    (06)


>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Ron Wheeler<rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 9:43 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Summit Website
>> To: ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> Can someone explain how it is possible to violate the IPR under which
>> the forum operates.
>>
>> Most of the stuff that I read on the site seem to say that things
>> posted in the forum are posted under an open content license.
>> This seems to mean that anyone is free to use anything posted here for
>> any purpose either in full or in part or as part of a derived work.
>>
>> All of the references pointed to in this discussion thread is oriented
>> towards posters warning them not to post anything here that is not
>> freely available for use.
>> I could not see anything that places any special restriction on using
>> or republishing information posted here.
>>
>> Can someone clarify how putting a synopsis of the information here on
>> another web site would be infringing an Open Content license.
>>
>>
>> Ron
>> ----------    (07)


>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: jerrylsmit@xxxxxxx<jerrylsmit@xxxxxxx>
>> Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 at 9:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Summit Website
>> To: ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, pete.nielsen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx,
>> peter.yim@xxxxxxxxx, steve@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> Leo,
>>
>> THANK YOU!
>>
>> I'm certainly glad that someone is trying to put him back into place!
>>
>> I would suggest also adding: "....Until you have made proper
>> attribution to our work, and clearly state on your website...." and
>> give proper credits and references to the work of the ONTOLOGY SUMMIT
>> contributors.
>>
>> I think you need to be very blunt with Brand - he does not seem to
>> pick up on subtleties.
>>
>> R,
>>
>> Jerry
>> ---------------    (08)


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Obrst, Leo J.<lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Ontology Summit 2012 discussion<ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sun, Apr 15, 2012 8:53 am
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Summit Website
>>
>> Brand,
>>
>> In your advocacy of using MindTouch to "repurpose the Summit content,"
>> I assume you have given due consideration to our contribution
>> guidelines and IPR Policy. And so I hope MindTouch is an open source
>> technology, and that when repurposing our Summit content, one would be
>> doing it in accordance with our "reciprocal" use license.
>>
>> Until you have made proper attribution to our work, and clearly state
>> on your website that your work is also openly shared under OPL v1.0 or
>> (cc by-sa 3.0), please remove our Summit content from your website.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Leo
>> --------------------    (09)


>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Brand
>> Niemann
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:57 PM
>> To: 'Ontology Summit 2012 discussion'
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Summit Website
>>
>> I would suggest you just use a web application like MindTouch that
>> support WOA (Web-oriented Architecture) to repurpose the Summit
>> content so it supports the Sitemap and Schema protocols that improve
>> search with well-defined URLs.
>>
>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> Ramayya, Venkata V
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 6:06 PM
>> To: Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Summit Website
>>
>> Thanks for your reply.
>>
>> May I suggest that the next Summit Website use Ontologies to show that
>> using Ontologies is the way to go.
>>
>> The following is a reference on using Ontologies for Website development
>> --
>>
>> http://dei.inf.uc3m.es/pdfs/MonteroAwic03.pdf
>> V.V. Ramayya
>> The Boeing Company
>> Seattle, WA
>> USA    (010)


>> ________________________________
>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ali SH
>> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2012 8:01 AM
>> To: Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Summit Website
>> Hi Venkata,
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Ramayya, Venkata V
>> <venkata.v.ramayya@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Nice Website!!!
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>>
>> Was an ontology used to create this website?
>>
>>
>> We would have loved to have used an ontology, but the website was made
>> under a very tight deadline and is very much a quickly thrown together
>> hack.
>>
>>
>>
>> If so, it would be instructional if there is presentation on how it was
>> done.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> V.V. Ramayya
>> The Boeing Company
>> Seattle, WA
>> USA    (011)


>> ________________________________
>> From: ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 8:36 AM
>>
>> To: Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
>> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Summit Website
>>
>> Very nice. Bravo
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 10, 2012, Ali SH wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Just an fyi - (a very hacked, quickly thrown together but hopefully
>> pretty and accessible version of) the 2012 summit website is now
>> online!
>>
>>
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/OntologySummit/2012/index.html
>>
>>
>> Also, a big thank you to ThomasGetgood for helping get it up and running.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ali
>> --
>>
>> (`'.(`'.().').') .,.,    (012)

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