Dear Rich, (01)
In the United States (and most countries) copyright is automatic upon
the creation of an original work by an author. Whether or not a work
is marked "copyrighted" or whether the process of registering such
with the Copyright Office, has little to do with the author's rights
(it may put the copyright holder in a better position if litigation
arises, but that is not the subject of this discussion.) (02)
Others can use what is on this [ontolog-forum] list because its
content is subject to an "open" use license as detailed under our IPR
Policy (ref. http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32
). That is exactly why we should be very careful not include content
that may constitute an infringement of other people's copyrights ...
and that burden is on the contributor. (03)
IANAL ... but, unless the two lists where you copied your material
from, are also subject to an open use license, your re-publication of
their content should constitute an infringement. The substantiality of
the work that you re-published should probably also have disqualified
you from "fair use." (ref.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#Amount_and_substantiality ). (04)
My suggestions, therefore ... (05)
(i) please author your own work; (06)
(ii) cite a link to other people's work, and not copy them over
(especially when you are not sure.) (07)
Let's move this conversation offline ... (although, honestly speaking,
a legal professional should be consulted if we want to go further with
the discussion anyway.) (08)
Thanks & regards. =ppy
-- (09)
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Rich Cooper
<rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Peter,
>
> Thanks for the reminder. I found both of those
> posts on another list. That list is very well
> moderated, and the list publisher was the one who
> posted the second one. The first poster was a
> respected psychotherapist, as was the list owner.
> So I think this case is pretty well founded in
> fair use doctrine.
>
> But for other cases, do you have any suggestions
> for how to verify that a post from elsewhere is in
> fact available for fair use posting?
>
> Unfortunately, there is no source of all published
> material that has been copyrighted. Patents are
> fully public - that is the basis for granting
> exclusive use to a technology IP disclosure in
> patent law. But copyright law simply makes it
> illegal to republish copyrighted works, and
> requires publications to include the copyright
> notice.
>
> Is there a way to recognize when copyrighted
> material has been posted without its legally
> mandated copyright marking?
>
> Isn't a post on a list such as this one legally
> included in fair use doctrine if there was no
> copyright mark on the original post from the other
> list?
>
> It would be convenient to have a way to identify
> when a post has been published in violation of
> copyright law.
>
> Suggestions appreciated,
> -Rich
>
> Sincerely,
> Rich Cooper
> EnglishLogicKernel.com
> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
> 9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2 (010)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Peter Yim
> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 10:57 AM
> To: [ontolog-forum]
> Subject: [ontolog-forum] [OT] please make sure you
> have rights/permission to publish/re-publish [was
> - Re: Proof that we construct language from our
> perceptions]
>
> Rich & All,
>
>
> Ref. your two recent posts ...
>
> Since we run an open IPR policy, please make sure
> you have proper
> rights/permission to publish/re-publish anything
> you make on your
> post. One obviously will not have a problem if you
> are the author of
> your post, if not, this burden will be on the
> poster ... or, at the
> least, please make sure one is within the
> boundaries of "fair use."
>
>
> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>
> Peter Yim
> Co-convener, ONTOLOG
> --
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:16 AM, Rich Cooper
> <rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Here is another example of how we construct our
> own understanding of
>> language even when there is far more noise than
> signal:
>>
>>
>>
>> Use Your Brain
>>
>> I've seen this with the letters out of order,
>> but this is the first time I've seen it with
> numbers, F1gur471v3ly 5p34k1ng?
>>
>> Good example of a Brain Study:
>> If you can read this you have a strong mind:
>>
>>
>> 7H15 M3554G3
>>
>> 53RV35 7O PR0V3
>>
>> H0W 0UR M1ND5 C4N
>>
>> D0 4M4Z1NG 7H1NG5!
>>
>> 1MPR3551V3 7H1NG5!
>>
>> 1N 7H3 B3G1NN1NG
>>
>> 17 WA5 H4RD BU7
>>
>> N0W, 0N 7H15 LIN3
>>
>> Y0UR M1ND 1S
>>
>> R34D1NG 17
>>
>> 4U70M471C4LLY
>>
>> W17H 0U7 3V3N
>>
>> 7H1NK1NG 4B0U7 17,
>>
>> B3 PROUD! 0NLY
>>
>> C3R741N P30PL3 C4N
>>
>> R3AD 7H15.
>> PL3453 F0RW4RD 1F
>>
>> U C4N R34D 7H15.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m not so sure I believe the “you have a strong
> mind” claim, but the
>> ability to read that much out of what is mostly
> noise is seriously
>> impressing.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> -Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Rich Cooper
>>
>> EnglishLogicKernel.com
>>
>> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
>>
>> 9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2
>
>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: Rich Cooper
> [mailto:rich@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2012 9:17 AM
>> To: '[ontolog-forum] '
>> Subject: Proof that we construct language from
> our perceptions
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Ontologists,
>>
>>
>>
>> The attached PowerPoint presentation shows how
> we can construct language,
>> and other facilities, through what we expect to
> see instead of what we
>> actually see.
>>
>>
>>
>> I found it on another list, but I want to share
> it with those who still
>> think we have a common set of concepts. Note
> especially the slide with
>> words wildly misspelled, note also the slide
> that can only be seen by
>> adults, and the one where only children can see
> the dolphins.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH,
>>
>> -Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Rich Cooper
>>
>> EnglishLogicKernel.com
>>
>> Rich AT EnglishLogicKernel DOT com
>>
>> 9 4 9 \ 5 2 5 - 5 7 1 2
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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