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Re: [ontolog-forum] Process to getting a project started [was - Re: Some

To: "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>, "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "Christopher Spottiswoode" <cms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 21:43:13 +0200
Message-id: <DF40749C5BC0473C9DD5A1365B828990@klaptop>
Peter,    (01)

Many thanks for the offer, the help and the pointers.  I'll have
something starting there in a day or two.    (02)

Btw, I am delighted to see Cory Casanave's suggested theme on the Summit
Suggestions wiki page.  The whole syndrome he highlights surely calls
for this Community's urgent attention.    (03)

Christopher    (04)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
To: "Christopher Spottiswoode" <cms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
Cc: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 1:22 AM
Subject: Process to getting a project started [was - Re: [ontolog-forum]
Some Grand Challenge proposal ironies]    (05)

Thanks, Ron and Christopher.    (06)

> [RonW]  Peter might provide you with some guidelines ...
> [CS]   2.  Do you have any specific suggestions, or examples ...    (07)

[ppy]  I'd be happy to.    (08)

We actually have a process (believe it or not!) to get towards
incubating new projects on the Ontolog collaborative work environment.
See: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid20    (09)

Before the project is established (and staying in line with membership
contribution policy), one option is to develop a working draft of the
project as a subpage under your own "namesake" page. To this end, I
have just initialized a "OntologyChemistry_WorkingDraft" page and it's
now at:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ChristopherSpottiswoode/OntologyChemistry_WorkingDraft    (010)

You can progressively populate that (as if it were the "Ontology
Chemistry project homepage," and when it comes time (i.e. when the
"Ontology Chemistry" project established), it will be a matter of 5
minutes to migrate the entire content over, from this working-draft
page to the real homepage.)    (011)

One possible project page template (one which we have been using all
along for most of the Ontolog projects) can be viewed at:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid2T    (012)

A good reference would the "UoM_Ontology_Standard" project, and its
homepage - see:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UoM_Ontology_Standard ... the
process it took to move that work to OASIS, is actually the process it
should take you to get your "Ontology Chemistry" project properly
established at Ontolog (as Ontolog actually follows to the OASIS
process in this regard.)    (013)

All the best with moving this forward, Christopher!    (014)

Regards.  =ppy    (015)

p.s. Christopher, we can take other logistics or support issues
offline, if they don't concern most people in the community. =ppy
--    (016)

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Christopher Spottiswoode
<cms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Ron, thanks for another most timely suggestion!
> Yes, I had been considering various options along such lines, Peter's
> wiki having in fact been my latest favourite, though I haven't
> discussed precisely that with him yet.
> But it's past 10:30pm where I am now, so:
> Peter,
> 1. In principle is that idea ok with you? And if so:
> 2. Do you have any specific suggestions, or examples on the wiki, of
> ways of structuring living summaries of points, positions, outstanding
> issues, projects, plans, etc, linkable with the Forum archive?
> 3. Or should we rather take this housekeeping discussion offline now,
> until the sharable structure is set up? (I already have a few
> wiki-related questions I've been meaning to ask you, and a graphic for
> ongoing easy reference. More critically, ML5x5p part 2 is already a
> burning focus from various directions, which I feel urgently needs
> more systematic and referrable coverage.)
> 4. Or is "Just get in and do it!" the most practical wiki advice for
> me to start with? If so, perhaps you could provide me with an
> appropriate stub for a starting page in the right place for your site?
> And any further instructions or advice?
> Till tomorrow...
> Best...
> Christopher    (017)

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ron Wheeler
> To: ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 9:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Some Grand Challenge proposal ironies    (018)

> If you guys are actually going to try to put together something more
> substantial than a conversation, can I suggest that you start to build
> a set of pages in the wiki that goes with this forum. You could then
> document your ideas in a permanent way with illustrations, sections,
> headings, links and all the other stuff that supports a project.
> This would make the posts here shorter. It allow also more people to
> contribute in a substantial way if they had expertise in some area. It
> would also allow one to document 'a point-by-point "comparing and
> contrasting" ' on its one page rather than in the middle of a
> discussion.
> Peter might provide you with some guidelines but the wiki is pretty
> flexible.
> Ron
> ...[snip]...    (019)

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