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From: "Brand Niemann" <bniemann@xxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 17:03:00 -0400
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I think the right environment exists in a production software -
http://semanticommunity.info/Build_SEMIC.EU_in_the_Cloud/Be_Informed_Video     (01)

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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Cory Casanave
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ontologylanguages    (02)

Duane,
We suffer this question also.  What we are doing now is modeling most of
what we need in UML with a combination of standard and proprietary profiles.
Note that we are using UML in an ontological fashion, not to model the
software as many people do. We do this so we have an environment to bring
together domain information, processes, services and collaborations.  From
this we can generate lightweight ontologies (about the level you can do with
OWL) in a variety of logical languages - mostly OWL since we can get
implementations and some name recognition.  Of course we can also provision
out software to implement the architectures using MDA.  We find the tools
(we use magicdraw) very mature and the models something non-technical
stakeholders can deal with.  You can, of course, then add axioms in your
language of choice if you want stronger ontological reasoning support.    (03)

That said, I am by no means suggesting that this is the ideal environment -
but one that works for us and our customers with smart people who know how
to "bend" UML in this way.  It is a tradeoff of expressability, scope and
acceptability.  I don't think the right environment exists yet, at least not
in any production software.  This is the reason we have been pursuing the
"architecture ecosystem"
(http://www.omgwiki.org/architecture-ecosystem/doku.php) and SIMF we have
referenced previously.    (04)

My bias is that we have to capture the semantics of the domain in as
technology neutral and user friendly way as possible. Everything you
mentioned (as well as OWL) is optimized for other purposes, generally
supporting a reasoner.  If I were to pick one I would probably pick CL, but
then have to augment it with a lot of ontologies to represent the
architectural perspectives as well as provide the tooling for modeling in a
user friendly way as well as the backend reasoning and provisioning support
- that is a lot to put together, something I hope we (the global we) can do
at some point.    (05)

-Cory    (06)

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[mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Duane Nickull
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 3:22 PM
To: [ontolog-forum]
Subject: [ontolog-forum] Need advice - Request a quick opinion on
ontologylanguages    (07)

I am working on a large project and I would like to solicit input for a
major architectural decision. The context is an enterprise that must choose
one single knowledge interchange and persistence language to preserve all
their ontological work.  They require tooling (open source preferred) to
support visual modeling and taxonomy development based on the ontological
work.   The industry is military/international intelligence with an eye
towards context driven rule-sets and dynamic decision making based on
computational intelligence agents.  It must be able to cross reference
symbols/terms in multiple languages and map them back to the concept, noting
the nuances between them.    (08)

What I would like is to request (if you have time) is a vote for a single
language from the following candidates or a suggestion of another I may have
missed if they make suitable candidates.  I do not wish for this to turn
into a thread contemplating the merits of each language as my belief is they
all have strengths.  Just a quick response like "KIF - <tools> <links>" etc.    (09)

* Common Logic - and/or its dialects
* CycL
* DOGMA (Developing Ontology-Grounded Methods and Applications)
* F-Logic (Frame Logic)
* KIF (Knowledge Interchange Format)
* Ontolingua based on KIF
* KL-ONE
* KM programming language
* LOOM (ontology)
* OCML (Operational Conceptual Modelling Language)
* OKBC (Open Knowledge Base Connectivity
* PLIB (Parts LIBrary)
* RACER     (010)

Thank you in advance and apologies in advance if this turns into a holy war
;-)    (011)

Duane Nickull
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