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Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:55:33 -0800
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Chris,
Fair comment regarding the analogy, it wasn't ideal but if you 
substitute "ontology" with "process of developing an ontology", I think the 
point holds. My central concert is: who creates ontologies? It is not 
specialist engineers but a community of stakeholders bringing different skills 
to the table.
Cheers,
Peter

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From: Christopher Menzel
Sent: Tuesday, 11 January, 2011 12:31
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] I ontologise, you ontologise,      we all mess 
up... (was: Modeling a money transferring scenario, or any of a range of 
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> On Jan 11, 2011, at 1:49 PM, Peter Brown wrote:
>> ... 
>> I remain baffled by the terms (and the presumed concepts behind them – 
>which are *not* clear at all) of ‘ontology engineer’ and ‘ontology 
>engineering’. I do not think that one can ‘engineer’ an ontology any 
>more than one can engineer a meeting: one can bring skills, methods and tools 
>to the meeting (as Chair of a meeting for example) and can make sometimes 
>significant progress even in ignorance of the subject of the meeting – if 
>the purpose of the role of Chair is to help the meeting to come to some 
>conclusion. However, once a Chair starts to pronounce on matters and get 
>involved in the substance of a meeting, those skills and methods become 
>overshadowed by their ignorance or partisanship.
> 
> Hello Peter,
> 
> I don't understand your analogy.  An ontology is a concrete artifact (unlike 
>a meeting).  And, like the production of any quality artifact, the production 
>of a good ontology requires training and  expertise.  On the face of it, 
>anyway, "ontology engineer" seems a reasonable title for those with the 
>appropriate training and expertise.  (Opinions vary, of course, regarding the 
>nature and extent of such training and expertise.)
> 
> I have to say that I don't see how an ontology is in any way enough like a 
>meeting to support your argument that, because it makes no sense to engineer a 
>meeting, it makes no sense to engineer an ontology.
> 
> -chris
> 
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