Rich, first thanks for taking the time to think and the triangle and
sharing your observations. |
I'll just respond to one of your points. There's plenty more to be
said, but only a few hours in the day. Let's plan to circle back
around on the other points once we examine the first in detail !
See below ...
On 8/21/2010 12:29 AM, Rich Cooper wrote:
for the image:
of makes sense to me, but why must an
object “materialize” a sign? The object may not be
MATERIAL at all
– it could be much more abstract, like the first cold
weather is a sign
of the coming Fall and Winter in the northern hemisphere,
yet there may be no
visible reminder of the cold day or the coming weather –
just a lower
temperature than usual, which seems more abstract than
concrete in my
As I mentioned previously, the next iteration of the triangle will
include two new terms. The first term will be "IT", appearing at the
bottom of the triangle. The second will be "IS", appearing at the
top. The term "IT" is intended to represent what Peirce sometimes
calls Substance or the Manifold. The term "IS" will represent Being.
Of course that's heading for some pretty abstract thinking, but the
intent is to represent the metaphysical transformation that Peirce
describes in "On a New List of Categories" in the outer
counter-clock wise edge of the triangle.
I use the term object to represent an individual in the manifold. I
think its pretty important to reject the idea of abstract objects.
I'll use your statements above to show why.
RC > "The first cold weather is a sign of the coming Fall and
Winter in the Northern Hemisphere."
You claim that there is no (material) object that determines
temperature and without a visible representation of Winter there can
be no (material) object, only an abstract object which you
acknowledge is a sign.
Air is a gas made of molecules. Its temperature is a property of its
speed and density. Although we don't see the molecules, they and the
gas do exist. Their slower speed and lower density causes the
observer to sense cold. There are many individual molecules
physically present in the gas. The physical presence of the
molecules (object) makes it possible for the observer to sense cold
(sign). That's what I intend to communicate when I say materialize.
I think you'll agree that it would be hard to argue that because the
air molecules are unseen that they transmute from object to abstract
object. They're still there, especially if you live in China ! So I
think the case is proven that in your example, the object (molecule)
materializes the sign (cold). And as you also point out even where
there's no visible object, the sign (cold) actually evokes Winter
and its connotations like Christmas, Santa Clause - ho ho ho, etc.
Maybe to some the term sign is synonymous with abstract object. I
prefer sign and I think the value of semiotics is to provide a
better metaphysics to avoid abstract objects.
All that being said. You're right that the choice of term for the
legs of the triangle is important. They describe functions that
commute and are isomorphic. Materialize may not be the best term.
What do you think of determine?
BTW - Most likely Peirce has a term for this type of sign. Possibly
Dicisign. I haven't had enough time to properly study his division
of signs. I hope John Sowa or John Awbrey could provide advice on
how this sign would be classified.
for the suggestions,
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