Re: [ontolog-forum] Offline note

[Len Yabloko <lenyabloko@xxxxxxxxx>]

Contrary to the subject and therefore in a best tradition of this forum - may I point out a consistent trend of contre-opposing moves from philosophy-ethics to engineering-science and back. It is time to recognise that neigher side has a lagitimate claim for truth and meaning of what works and what does not. This is sometimes called an "illusion of validity".

I think we all victims of ontological meltdown.

--- On Fri, 5/29/09, FERENC KOVACS <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: FERENC KOVACS <f.kovacs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Offline note
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:59 AM

yes, that is a good point. Greed for instance works fine everywhere
Frank

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From: Mike Bennett <mbennett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, 29 May, 2009 2:49:14 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] Offline note

As an engineer, I'd say the test is whether or not you end up with
something that works.

Mike

FERENC KOVACS wrote:
> Re: Judgmentalism:  that translate to e that you do not like them,
> which is fine with me.
> But.
> Citing Aristotle, Plato and the rest of the people as you did the
> other day as pre-runners of ontology sounds to me a very Marxist move
> who started their similar list with Proudon, La Salle, The Luddites,
> Feuerbach, Hegel, etc.to support their point and got even poets and
> shop stewarts got in there as predecessors of their philiosophy called
> scientific socialism. But science or scientific is nothing much to be
> proud of. Early medical resercher were grave robbers, "chemists" were
> alchemists, and what did you get in the end? For instance Medicine is
> not science, ask the parctitioners, and they are even licensed to kill
> a fetus which objectively has a future to be used up asa sparepart for
> some demand in the market, your god and doom.
> regards, frank
>
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> *From:* John F. Sowa <sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> *To:* [ontolog-forum] <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *Sent:* Friday, 29 May, 2009 2:18:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [ontolog-forum] Offline note
>
> Frank,
>
> On that point I completely agree:
>
> > ontology itself is far from being a science, you may want
> > to remember.
>
> That is why I believe that it is premature to choose one ontology
> that is canonized as an official standard.  My recommendation has
> always been that we should develop a systematic classification
> (a lattice or at least a partial ordering) of all ontologies that
> meet minimal criteria for coherence.
>
> Then the choice between them should be determined by the
> marketplace:  the users can choose which one(s) are most
> appropriate for their problems.
>
> Re judgmentalism:  Proponents of Marxism, Freudianism, and
> Objectivism are among the most judgmental people on earth.
>
> John
>
>
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