Re: [ontolog-forum] [CG:] What will the world do with more search engine

[Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx>]

 

Microsoft says it will introduce its new search engine within the next few days. The world's largest software company has called the project "Kumo." It may change that name before the public sees it. Yahoo! (YHOO) and Google (GOOG) seem like odd names for search engines, but those choices never seemed to affect their success. Another company recently launched a search product called Wolfram Alpha. At least in the case of this software, the inventor, Stephen Wolfram, put his name on it.

 

Read more...

http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1899804,00.html

--- On Tue, 5/19/09, Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] [CG:] Wolfram Alpha is now available - Try Fossil Ida
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tuesday, May 19, 2009, 7:03 PM

Today's news covered about Fossil Ida..  a 47 million year old fossil...

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/may/19/ida-fossil-missing-link

 

 

But if you search for Fossil Ida using Wolfram|Alpha -  expecting information about the fossil,  but guess what was the result?

 

It compares Fossil (FOSL)  and  IDACORP (IDA)   ( ticker symbols)  ... and gave charts and graphs and financial information about these ticker symbols!

 

It is funny!   Sematics, natural language processing,   connecting the human brain's expectations and computer interpretation gets as funny as this!

 

Probabaly the result set  should give multiple "input intepretations" to choose from and then process the request based on the selection!

 

Considering the fact that there are umpty number of languages in this world, and knowledge domains,  developing Standard set of Ontologies for all .. may take forever! 

 

Regards

 

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Pavithra <pavithra_kenjige@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] [CG:] Wolfram Alpha is now available
To: "[ontolog-forum]" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 12:49 PM

>In fact,
>we need a radically new kind of web search, common ontology-driven semantic
>search engine, the ontological foundations of which we  are here looking
>for.]

>Bottom line:
>This kind of retrieval systems is a maximum what can give us any syntactic
>search engine (Google) or question answering machine neglecting ontology and
>semantics, so unable to process the meanings of web data and content.

 

Azamat:

You seemed to have a vision of this radically different semantic search engine!  That may be the next wave of the Internet!

 

But could you eloborate on your thoughts on radically different way of using your search engine?

 

For example,  In August of 2007,  I was doing some research on Semantic web and came across Tim Berner Lee expectations!   Here is one of the examples of his expectations.. ( which I call use cases...   senerios about how you want it to work..  ) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVFY52CH6Bc

 

( he has more of these that Technology Review keeps posting on thier web site)

 

When I was evaluating some of the Semantic technology tools ( for example  Cambridge Semantic's demo on thier Anzo suite of tools,)  I felt like they took him literally !  Tmbl's expectations of how you can work with financial / business  data... on web, came through quite clearly in those demos!

 

Probably it will help the creative side of IT people if you elaborate on your Radically Different Semantic Search tool, and how wonderful it is going to be for the rest of the world!

 

Here is a practical suggestion: Get it started with a push and imagination!  Lets see whether we can work with it!

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 5/18/09, Azamat <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

From: Azamat <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] [CG:] Wolfram Alpha is now available
To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Monday, May 18, 2009, 12:01 PM

PC: WA appears to me to be a good addition to the arsenal of search engines,
with its strengths (math-dependent stuff) and weaknesses.  I tried "what is
> the distance between Katmandu and Bangalore" and found the precise answer
> plus lots of relevant data as a result.  Very good at some things.  Just
> don't ask it questions about unusual things or matters of judgment.

Right to the point, Patrick.
Below what it was predicted in the recent thread:
[According to SW, the four pillars of his oncoming web service are:" a
massive amount of data, that his company has collected from various sources;
a computational engine built on
top of Mathematica...; a system for understanding queries; and technology to
display results in interesting ways.
http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/28/wolfram-alpha-veil-lifted/
Again, its not a web search engine, but a QAS dealing with statistics and
all sort of statistical relations between two or more variables, such as
population growth rate, amount of junk food consumed, and birth rate or
mortality rate, as much as a new Google data-centric service got from the
Trendanalizer Co. Mostly expect all sort of charts visualizing binary or
ternary relations, involving distances, prices, locations, populations,
dates, weather data, and many other statistics and quantitative data. The
both services are syntactic systems differing only in degree and scale, and
neither will bother if such correlations have any causal meanings. In fact,
we need a radically new kind of web search, common ontology-driven semantic
search engine, the ontological foundations of which we  are here looking
for.]

Bottom line:
This kind of retrieval systems is a maximum what can give us any syntactic
search engine (Google) or question answering machine neglecting ontology and
semantics, so unable to process the meanings of web data and content.

Azamat Abdoullaev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Cassidy" <pat@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "'[ontolog-forum] '" <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] [CG:] Wolfram Alpha is now available


> WA appears to me to be a good addition to the arsenal of search engines,
> with its strengths (math-dependent stuff) and weaknesses.  I tried "what
> is
> the distance between Katmandu and Bangalore" and found the precise answer
> plus lots of relevant data as a result.  Very good at some things.  Just
> don't ask it questions about unusual things or matters of judgment.
>
> Pat
>
> Patrick Cassidy
> MICRA, Inc.
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> cell: 908-565-4053
> cassidy@xxxxxxxxx
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-
>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John F. Sowa
>> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 8:36 AM
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>>
>> Jon,
>>
>> That is the most frequent answer you get from it:
>>
>>  > "Wolfram|Alpha isn't sure what to do with your input."
>>
>> That is why it is an alpha-level system.
>>
>> John
>>
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