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To: dmconnelly@xxxxxxxx, Ontology Summit 2009 <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 09:23:02 -0700
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Hi David,    (01)

Back in 2004, a pilot project group from the Ontolog community had
actually taken a stab at the this and did a mapping of the UN/CEFACT
CCTS v2.01 to SUMO (and that family of FOL-based upper and middle
ontologies). See an account of that at:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation    (02)

I would also like to refer you to ongoing work of the OASIS SET TC
(http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=set ) and
the talk on our archives which SET TC Chair, Asuman Dogac gave at
Ontolog about that work - see:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid19LH    (03)

Among folks in the community, I'd imagine folks like AsumanDogac,
TimMcGrath, Anders Tell or Duane Nickull would probably be in a
position to throw more light on this subject.    (04)

Regards.  =ppy
--    (05)

On Mon, Mar 23, 2009 at 8:34 AM, David Connelly - OAGi
<dmconnelly@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> All,
> I have a question for the group.  OAGi has built Release 2.01 of CCTS and
> the Naming and Design Rules into OAGIS Release 9.X.  We are planning to
> build a Release 10 of OAGIS to adopt the new CCTS and NDR 3.0.
> We look at these as ontology technologies.
> I wonder what others think?
> Thanks,
> David    (06)

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Ray
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 5:32 PM
> To: 'Ontology Summit 2009'
> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] URIs for quantities, units and scales
> Toby,
> There's no question that UnitsML is central to this issue.
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Considine,
> Toby (Campus Services IT)
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:40 PM
> To: 'Ontology Summit 2009'
> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] URIs for quantities, units and scales
> Don't go too far down this road w/o looking into UnitsML.
> "A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which
> is but saying ... that he is wiser today than yesterday." -- Jonathan Swift
> Toby Considine
> Chair, OASIS oBIX TC
> Facilities Technology Office
> University of North Carolina
> Chapel Hill, NC
> Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu
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> blog: www.NewDaedalus.com    (07)

> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Matthew West
> Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 12:25 PM
> To: 'Ontology Summit 2009'
> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] URIs for quantities, units and scales
> Dear John,
>> URIs aren't magic.  People have relied on paper to transmit
>> and agree on meaning for many, many centuries.  Putting a pail
>> of garbage at the end of a URI rainbow won't make it gold.
>> DL> I suggest that creating a self-consistent ontology will take
>>  > time, but assigning URIs to quantities, units and scales will
>>  > bring an immediate benefit. The URIs can be used without an
>>  > ontology within existing data models.
>> If you don't do your homework in defining the meaning of any
>> symbols at the end of that URI rainbow, it'll just be garbage.
>> The GIGO principle for computer systems has not been repealed
>> by the Semantic Web.
> [MW] The homework has been done on units and measures. Engineers and
> physicists are quite clear about what they mean for their purposes whether
> or not they have defined that meaning in a formal ontology, so for their
> purposes common identifiers and looking them up in a standard when necessary
> works.
> Regards
> Matthew West
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