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Re: [ontolog-forum] New Book: "Narrative Information"

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From: Pat Hayes <phayes@xxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:31:08 -0600
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> On Feb 10, 2009, at 2:51 PM, John F. Sowa wrote:
>> Pat,
>> The inner arguments are semantically, not grammatically obligatory.
>> JFS>> For 'give', the number of inner or obligatory participants is  
>> 3,
>>>> and there is an open-ended number of optional relationships for the
>>>> time, place, manner, etc.
>> PH> True, but this distinction is purely grammatical. I have to say
>>> "XX gave YY to ZZ", with all three grammatically required phrases
>>> in place (and Im not obliged similarly to say where or when or
>>> how), but Im not obliged to actually provide the information.
>> Those arguments can be omitted if they are implicit in the context:
>>  - We are collecting donations for the Red Cross.
>>  - I gave at the office.
>> Semantically, 'give' has three participants.  One or two may be
>> omitted in a grammatical English sentence if they are obvious
>> from the context.  But they exist, whether or not the speaker
>> or listener knows who or what they are.
> So do the time and place. Every event occurs somewhere at some time.  
> The grammatical rules are pretty much independent of any ontological  
> conditions, seems to me. Grammar is a fine topic, but it has to do  
> with language, not ontology. But I don't expect you to agree with me  
> on this, John :-)
> Pat
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