Peter, (01)
You advised Paola, below, as follows: (02)
> Once again, this is not the right forum for this discussion. (03)
As a relative newcomer to the Forum, I was myself impressed and
pleased to see the Forum's IPR Policy as set out here: (04)
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32. (05)
I therefore have great difficulty understanding the advice you gave
Paola, as it seems to me from far, as one who did not participate in
the OOR Meeting, that he has raised some very legitimate concerns. (06)
With more specific reference to my own situation and contributions,
inasmuch as they are themselves worth anything, I am most anxious to
see a full adherence to the advertised IPR Policy, with no taint of
any possibility whatever of any hijacking by some of any contribution
at all to the open Forum. (07)
Therefore I am now keen to see a full and public clarification of this
whole matter which Paola has raised, whose factual rights and wrongs
it is not a simple matter for me to judge. I like to believe that
such clarifications would surely be no problem at all! (08)
I am very sorry that this issue should come on top of what appears to
have been a most worthwhile Summit, with sterling contributions by
yourself and the other organizers. So I reiterate my belief that the
whole issue can be put to rest in an easy and rapid Open way. (09)
Christopher (010)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
To: "Ontology Summit 2008" <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Steve Ray" <ray@xxxxxxxx>; "[ontolog-forum]"
<ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] [ontology-summit] founding members
meeting' ,ownership of 'open ontology', communique and new list? (011)
> Paola,
>
> Didn't see your message in time to do breakfast, sorry.
>
> I will still be in conferences the next couple of days before
> traveling back home.
> Allow me to get back to after this week (if you still want to talk.)
>
> We are in fact, quite transparent. Maybe you can catch up on what
> the
> OOR Initiative have been doing in the mean time.
>
> Once again, this is not the right forum for this discussion.
>
> Cheers. =ppy
> --
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 6:35 AM, <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Gosh Peter,
>> you never know what to think these days. :-)
>>
>> People are patenting rice, genes, molecules of air even, I just
>> wanted
>> you to reassure us that your are planning to derive ip from 'open
>> ontology' name, concepts and related artifacts (that may give rise
>> to
>> a copyright infringment, to start with, should we start seeking
>> advice
>> from the respective solicitors LOL :-)
>>
>> It must be very tough times indeed if we got to this point.
>>
>> OK - I ll try to catch you over breakfast or first thing in the
>> morning to learn more about the OOR (downstairs in half an hour,
>> assuming we are in the same hotel)
>>
>> However, I really think this respectable community of peers, as
>> well
>> as myself, would like to hear about the distinction that you are
>> now
>> making between ontolog forum, as a knowledge community which has
>> generated discourse and artifacts relating to the OO domain and
>> how
>> come such a topic like 'opennes' is discussed in a non public
>> list, so
>> with a purpose in mind which is not generating open knowledge
>>
>> I also feel whatever the OOR initiative plans to be, of which I
>> look
>> forward to hear more about, the 'communique' should take that into
>> account, after all we have not been working consistently for two
>> days
>> to generate knowledge that is going to be 'ingested' and
>> commercially
>> exploited by a private initiative, then this community should know
>> more about it, and agree to certain things
>>
>> Please shed some light on this list , as many people consistently
>> put
>> a lot of personal efforts and knowledge to this community,
>> starting
>> from yourself, and consideration is due for those who firmly
>> believe
>> that openness can only be exercised with open processes, and that
>> plain exploitation of intellectual property right, should be
>> exercises accordance to legislation in vigour
>>
>> ttyl
>>
>> p
>
>
>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > Paola,
>> >
>> > You aren't taking my joke about patenting the word "open"
>> seriously, are you?
>> >
>> > =ppy
>> >
>> > P.S. as mentioned the OOR Initiative is independent of
>> > OntologySummit2008 (and even the [ontolog-forum].) Therefore,
>> please
>> > take your OOR-Initiative-related issues up with me, Leo or Mike
>> > off-line. Thanks. =ppy
>> > --
>
>
>> > On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 8:42 PM, <paola.dimaio@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> > > Greetings all
>> > >
>> > > It was a pleasure to finally meet everybody at the Summit,
>> and thanks
>> > > again for efforts being put up. The forum is a great
>> resource for all
>> > > of us, and as the community grows it is important that
>> 'active
>> > > community members' take more responsiblity for its
>> development.
>> > > I hope it continues to stay that way.
>> > >
>> > > I was surprised to learn today about an 'open ontology
>> founders
>> > > meeting' which took place in January
>> > >
>> > >
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2008_01_23#nid17D9
>> > >
>> > > because I found no reference in my inbox nor in the list
>> archives, to
>> > > any invitation to participate in such meeting.
>> > > Can someone point me to any announcement about that meeting
>> (before it
>> > > took place?)
>> > >
>> > > Specifically on that wiki page, ther is a reference to some
>> not better
>> > > specified IPR being reserved, but no acknowledgment of prior
>> > > work and existing IPR, which is in contradiction of some of
>> the
>> > > principles of our community and forum, and could possibly
>> cause
>> > > conflict
>> > >
>> > > Being an early proponent of 'Open Ontology', both in terms
>> of wording
>> > > and concepts (I have published papers on this forum and
>> elsewhere
>> > > about this work) and having already extracted a set of
>> metadata from
>> > > the framework, which our metadata champion Michael did not
>> know of,
>> > > (while the rest of this community did, as we discussed it
>> extensively
>> > > on this list) I was particularly surprised to learn that
>> the
>> > > participants to the 2008 summit have not been informed of
>> the pre
>> > > existing , and prior work under the same heading, and
>> related
>> > > pre-existing IPR.
>> > >
>> > > Issues such as 'ownership' and control of 'open ontology'
>> concept and
>> > > derived artifacts should be addressed, before they can be
>> claimed and
>> > > trademarked by related parties.
>> > >
>> > > I would thefore encourage clarification as required, as well
>> as
>> > > acnkowledgment of prior IPR, in order to avoid potential
>> conflicts,
>> > > and some information relating to such new lists where the
>> OOR work is
>> > > being discussed where we can cross reference the
>> contributions made to
>> > > date, so that they can be duly acknowledged by the body of
>> knowledge
>> > > which is being generated.
>> > >
>> > > I would encourage such issues to be addressed and clarified
>> before the
>> > > communique issued, as some of the statements therein
>> contained may
>> > > constitue an infringement of existing copyright, and this
>> forum
>> > > brought up to date on the new OOR list (where to join?) and
>> other
>> > > developments
>> > >
>> > > I look forward to developments
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > Paola Di Maio
>> > > School of IT
>> > > www.mfu.ac.th
>> > > *********************************************
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