Dear Chaim, (01)
The bottom line is ... (ref.
http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2008-02/msg00341.html#nid04
) (02)
If you test your work (the work you want discussed) with, say, the
"Open Source Definition"
(http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php ) and find that it is
really "open", then you are most welcomed to discuss them here. If
they fail that test, then commercial venues and practices are probably
more appropriate for the discussion of your work. (03)
Thanks & regards. =ppy
-- (04)
On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 11:20 AM, chaim Zins <chaim.zins@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear Peter,
>
> I do not understand the bottom line of your message? Can I criticaly discuss
> my two ontologies, Knowledge 2008 and knowledge Map of Information Science
> in the Ontolog-forum?
>
> If I can not discuss my projects in the forum, please make it clear and I
> will respect your policy.
>
> Thanks
>
> Chaim Zins
>
>
>
> On 2/25/08, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Dear Chaim,
> >
> >
> > Thank you for your response.
> >
> > 1. "Copyright" is not the issue (even the so called "copyleft" work
> > are copyrighted to the author of the work)
> > ... rather, the real issue is: whether or not the work is "Free" and
> "Open."
> >
> > The key is how the work is being licensed for use by others. Our IPR
> > Policy (http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32 )
> > does cite relevant references. You may want to test your work
> > accordingly, and advise if your work meets the said "open" criterion.
> >
> > 2. It is one thing when John Sowa, without being solicted, bring up a
> > new topic (and cites Professor Vitanyi's paper "Automatic Meaning
> > Discovery Using Google") and when ontolog-member-X brings up his/her
> > own work for critical discourse by the community.
> >
> > 2.1. for one ... X is potentially "self-promoting" and hence, breaches
> > our membership contribution policy of:
> > //
> > unless specifically requested/solicited by other community member(s),
> > please make sure any commercial- or self-promotion material or
> > reference are strictly limited to one's namesake page or a short
> > signature block, and nowhere else as far as our open collaborative
> > work environment is concerned.
> > //
> > (ref. http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidLMK )
> >
> > 2.2 two ... if that work being discussed turns out to be an non-
> > "free" or "open" product, X is potentially making a
> > "commercial-promotion" of that product (or technology, etc.). In
> > commercial terms, that is usually called "advertising."
> > ... There are plenty of venues for advertising, and we have strive to
> > make sure that the Ontolog collaborative work environment (which also
> > dubs as our collective knowledge repository) is free from
> > "advertisement."
> >
> > 3. More important, though, is the *intent* of all these policies --
> > we are trying to have a place where the community could freely share
> > knowledge, and collaborate to advance our charter (ref.
> > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidB ), so that
> > the end result from that collaboration can be further shared and
> > enhanced, and thus bootstrapping, and setting into motion a virtuous
> > circle for the chartered work, through the generosity of our
> > membership.
> >
> > If and when the community's bandwidth mistakenly goes into advancing a
> > "proprietary" product/technology, that intent is no longer being
> > upheld, and the community gets exploited towards providing pro bono
> > -consultation, -research or -development for the said "proprietary"
> > product/technology, which, obviously, is NOT what Ontolog is intended
> > for.
> >
> > 4. As previously discussed, we do waive our IPR Policies, on
> > occasions, so as (for example) to allow for an across-the-spectrum
> > (both open and proprietary) survey of the technology landscape. For
> > anyone with proprietary products/technologies that they want to review
> > with the community, those would be the appropriate circumstances to
> > bring them up up for discussion.
> >
> >
> > Thanks & regards. =ppy
> >
> > Peter Yim
> > Co-convener, Ontolog
> > --
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 6:33 AM, chaim Zins <chaim.zins@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > Dear Peter,
> > >
> > > My contributions to the Ontolog-Forum and its related sites are in
> > > accordance with the IRP policy.
> > >
> > > There is a clear distinction between the content of my contribution, and
> the
> > > discussed projects. The content of my contributions is open and free to
> use.
> > > The discussed projects are copyright protected.
> > >
> > > Note that throughout the Ontolog.cim3 website there are many discussions
> on
> > > copyright protected and licenced projects. See, for example,
> "Interesting
> > > way of using Google".
> > >
> > > Consequantely, discussing licenced projects are in accordance with the
> IRP
> > > policy.
> > >
> > > Knowledge 2008
> > >
> > > 1. Scholarly work. Knowledge 2008 is a scholarly project. Hereby, I
> invite
> > > anyone to criticaly discuss it, and question my reasoning and resrearch
> > > methodologies.
> > >
> > > 2. Academic & Educational citations. One can cite sections of the map
> (as
> > > is) in academic & educational non-profit publications and websites for
> > > academic & educational purposes, free of charge, as long as it is done
> in
> > > accordance with ethical codes acceptable by the academic community
> (e.g.,
> > > give me the full academic credit).
> > >
> > > 3. Open access. The website is open free of charge to everyone.
> > >
> > > 4. Utilizing the scheme in R&D projects. I will authorize developers to
> > > implement the map (scheme) in R&D projects, digital libraries, search
> tools,
> > > and the like, pending written licencing.
> > >
> > > I hope that I clarify my possition.
> > >
> > >
> > > All the Best,
> > >
> > > Chaim Zins
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2/23/08, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Chaim,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In the interest of ensuring proper observation of our IPR policy (ref.
> > > > http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32 ), could
> > > > you tell us how your sight content and the technology that deliver
> > > > them are licensed?
> > > >
> > > > ... In particular, are these work "open" and consistent with such IPR
> > > policy?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks & regards. =ppy
> > > >
> > > > Peter P. Yim
> > > >
> > > > Co-convener,
> > > > Ontolog Forum
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 9:20 AM, chaim Zins <chaim.zins@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Friends & Colleagues,
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowledge 2008 is an ongoing R&D project aimed at mapping human
> > > knowledge
> > > > > and facilitating efficient information searching. The project is
> > > composed of
> > > > > 6 parts:
> > > > > Map of Human Knowledge, Portal to Human Knowledge, Smart Search,
> > > > > Encyclopedia, Overview, and Academic Forum.
> > > > >
> > > > > The project is based on a scientific study. Please feel free to
> reflect
> > > on
> > > > > the theoretical perspectives (see bellow) and the practical
> implications
> > > of
> > > > > the project.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you wish to support the project, please do so by reviewing the
> > > sections
> > > > > related to your fields of expertise. Needless to say that I need
> your
> > > > > support.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For more information please see a detailed overview of the project:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowledge 2008: Map of Human Knowledge
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/Map/Map.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Overview. A systematic map of human knowledge. The knowledge map
> maps
> > > 500
> > > > > major fields. Human knowledge is composed of 10 pillars. Each pillar
> is
> > > > > divided into relevant categories and presents the relevant field.
> The
> > > map is
> > > > > an ontology of human knowledge, rather than a classification scheme.
> > > > >
> > > > > Unique characteristics. To better evaluate the map let us look at
> its
> > > unique
> > > > > characteristics:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. The 10 pillar structure, which is based on the Knowledge -
> > > Supernatural -
> > > > > Universe - Humans model is unique.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. The distinction between categories of the map (e.g., Theory) and
> > > fields
> > > > > of knowledge (e.g., Philosophy of Knowledge) is unique.
> > > > > Imagine that the Map mirrors a library. The pillars are bookcases.
> The
> > > > > categories are shelves, and the fields of knowledge are books. The
> > > Library
> > > > > of Human Knowledge has 10 bookcases, 100 shelves, and a collection
> of
> > > 500
> > > > > books.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. The Theory - Embodiment structure is unique. The map has a Theory
> -
> > > > > Embodiment structure. It is manifested within the map level, the
> pillar
> > > > > level, and the field level.
> > > > >
> > > > > [in the map level: Pillar 1 is 'the theory' part of human knowledge
> > > (HK). It
> > > > > is composed of the meta-knowledge of HK. Pillars 2-10 are 'the
> > > embodiment'
> > > > > of HK. They are composed of our knowledge on the explored phenomena
> (the
> > > > > supernatural, the universe, the living world, and humans. In the
> pillar
> > > > > level: Each pillar has 'a theory' category. In the field level: Each
> > > field
> > > > > has 'a theory' sub-field (e.g., Philosophy of Medicine, Literary
> Theory,
> > > > > Philosophy of Art)
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. The categories of the map were formulated in this research.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowledge 2008: Portal to Human Knowledge
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/Portal/Portal.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Overview. A systematic portal to top quality resources. Currently,
> the
> > > > > portal includes hundreds links to top resources in all fields of
> > > knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rationale. Following Bradford's law (1934) it is assumed that for
> every
> > > > > field there are core resources that include the core knowledge of
> the
> > > field.
> > > > > The portal will include links to the core resources in all the
> major
> > > > > fields.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowledge 2008: Smart Search
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/search/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Overview. A systematic user interface of Internet search engines. It
> is
> > > > > designed to facilitate an efficient information searching.
> Currently, it
> > > is
> > > > > implemented for Google search engine.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rationale. Search words are essential for formulating effective
> search
> > > > > queries. Unfortunately, most searchers are not familiar with the
> > > relevant
> > > > > search terms. It is assumed that in every field there are main
> keywords
> > > that
> > > > > relate to the core knowledge of the field. The idea is to develop a
> > > > > systematic user interface that presents the main keywords in the
> major
> > > > > fields of knowledge.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowledge 2008: Encyclopedic Portal to Wikipedia
> > > > > http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/encyclopedia/index.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Overview. A systematic portal to the Wikipedia Encyclopedia. The
> portal
> > > > > implements the knowledge map for facilitating systematic access to
> > > > > Wikipedia's encyclopedic articles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Rationale. Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia. It is free and
> popular.
> > > > > Undoubtedly, Wikipedia is a significant international,
> intercultural,
> > > and
> > > > > interdisciplinary project despite the poor quality of many articles.
> > > Note
> > > > > that the map can be implemented in other encyclopedias.
> > > > >
> > > > > Overview
> > > > > http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/overview/1.html
> > > > > A concise overview of the knowledge map.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Forum
> > > > > http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/Forum/Forum.html
> > > > > An academic and professional forum (via email) on the theoretical
> and
> > > > > practical aspects of the project.
> > > > >
> > > > > Looking forward to your response. Thanks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Chaim Zins
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Knowledge 2008: Map - Portal - Encyclopedia - Smart Search -
> Overview -
> > > > > Forum
> > > > > Knowledge Map of Information Science
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Chaim Zins, PhD.
> > > > > Knowledge Mapping Research
> > > > > 26 Hahaganah St, Jerusalem 97852, Israel;
> > > > > Tel/Fax: 972-2-5816705
> > > > > Email: chaim.zins@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Homepage: www.success.co.il
> > > > > Knowledge 2006: Map of Human Knowledge
> > > > > (http://www.success.co.il/knowledge/index.html)
> > > > >
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> > > 26 Hahaganah St, Jerusalem 97852, Israel;
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