ontolog-forum
[Top] [All Lists]

Re: [ontolog-forum] what is a proposition?

To: dch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
From: Lisa <lisadawncolvin@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2007 15:52:35 -0700 (PDT)
Message-id: <669047.52823.qm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 Hi David,    (01)

 I guess it depends on whether you believe in possible worlds. It looks like 
the OMG model is
 using
 the possible world model view. In that view, some believe that propositions 
are assertions
 (concept and predicate) which have a truth value with respect to a possible 
world - which is
 basically a model with various attributes. The existence of possible worlds a 
big area of debate
 with philosophers because of what  can be entailed from this model - around 
identity (is it
 reflexive, transitive, etc.. across possible worlds?) as well as reasoning 
with propositional
 attitudes (e.g. how does modifying an assertion with wish/believe/want/ affect 
it's truth
 value?).    (02)

 It appears that OMG is taking this model theoretic approach in order to 
address change over
 time.
 By using a possible worlds model, one can explicitly state that an assertion 
is true with
 respect
 to many variables, one being time.     (03)

 For example (the one given in the OMG spec), to model that a business has 
changed location (and
 with the constraint that businesses have only one location), you will have two 
different
 propositions that are true in different worlds (but would be contradictory if 
expressed in the
 same world). The assumption here (I believe) is that there is some way to 
express identity
 across
 the possible worlds and a way to somehow keep track of all the models through 
all the possible
 changes that occur in a business. Since data can change rapidly, does this 
mean that there is a
 separate model for each point in time? I can't tell. Is this supposed to be 
used in real
 applications? I can't tell.    (04)

 <Dear philosophers and logicians: This is just to get the conversation 
started. I am recalling
 from a PWS class I took nearly  20 years ago, so please argue with the 
assertions and not judge
 the creator. ((Belief (Lisa ?P))m,w,t) does not entail ?P to be true!!  thanks 
:) >    (05)

 lisa    (06)

 --- "David C. Hay" <dch@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:    (07)

 > 
 > To the ontology community,
 > 
 > In the “Business Owners” / “Data” cell, I made 
 > use of recent work being submitted to the Object 
 > Management Group on the “Semantics of Business 
 > Vocabulary and Business Rules”.  From that work 
 > among other things I built the meta-data model of PROPOSITION.
 > 
 > (Today I am having trouble linking to anything, 
 > so I cannot give you the exact URL, but go to 
 > OMG.org and look up that title.  Theirs is much 
 > more rigorous and complete than mine, which also 
 > makes it also somewhat impenetrable to us mere 
 > mortals. I would like to think that my book is a 
 > bit more readable.  The relevant section in my book is on pages 48-54.)
 > 
 > The OMG definition is simply that a PROPOSITION 
 > is the linking of two or more CONCEPTS.  As you 
 > people have pointed out, a PROPOSITION is 
 > fundamentally an abstraction, which may be 
 > described by one or more STATEMENTS, each of 
 > which must be via exactly one PHRASE.  Each 
 > PHRASE, in turn, must be in exactly one LANGUAGE.
 > 
 > Note that there is no assumption of the truth or 
 > falsity of a PROPOSITION.  Rather, one kind of 
 > PROPOSITION is a FACT, which is asserted to be 
 > true.  (Ok, determining who’s doing the assertion 
 > is left as an exercise for the reader.)
 > 
 > I don’t have the symbolic logic rigor of your 
 > academic world, and alas, I have not absorbed all 
 > of the authors you cited, but the effort required 
 > to produce this model was significant, and the 
 > language of e/r modeling allowed me to be very 
 > precise in my assertions. I would like to think 
 > y’all will find it to be of value.
 > 
 > Dave Hay
 > Essential Strategies, Inc.
 > Houston, Texas
 > http:www.essentialstrategies.com
 > 
 > >  
 > _________________________________________________________________
 > Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/  
 > Subscribe/Config: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/  
 > Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 > Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/
 > Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ 
 > To Post: mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
 >  
 > 
> 
>     (08)


_________________________________________________________________
Message Archives: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/  
Subscribe/Config: http://ontolog.cim3.net/mailman/listinfo/ontolog-forum/  
Unsubscribe: mailto:ontolog-forum-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Shared Files: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/
Community Wiki: http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ 
To Post: mailto:ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx    (09)

<Prev in Thread] Current Thread [Next in Thread>