Dear Ontology-ers
Suppose it will be interesting for you to look at correspondences from
the VSM mailing list around a "cooperation" with the Ontolog
community. (01)
Leonid Ototsky - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it
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From: Nick Green <nick_green@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: UCD-STAFFORDBEER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:52:22 +0100
Subject: : VSM and memory (02)
Yes Luc, Leonid and I are in the thick of this and currently looking at VSM
(and a little Pask IA, I must confess) as an Upper Ontology or helpful in
selecting candidates for an Upper ontology. Isn't memory just equated with
variety? On an ad hoc basis I have equated Sys4 as a data mine. (03)
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From: "Leonid Ototsky" <leo@xxxxxx>
To: <UCD-STAFFORDBEER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: VSM and memory (04)
Luc,
Suppose a very interesting approach to the "memory" problem uses the
ISO 15926 . It use principle 4D approach.
Nick Green will communicate with the leader of that approach - Matthew
West. (05)
Leonid - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it (06)
Вы писали 19 апреля 2007 г., 22:04:34: (07)
> Dear Roger, (08)
> I agree with you. My question is then related to the virtual
> world and ICT in general: the accent on memory as a storage to be
> retrieved, browsed, googled of whatever name makes the claim that
> the internet could be a new kind of collective cognitive system is
> put in jeopardy when Varela's enactment is taken seriously. (09)
> KInd regards, (010)
> Luc (011)
> Op 19-apr-07, om 17:50 heeft Roger Harnden het volgende geschreven: (012)
> See Heinz von Foerster's 'Memory without Record' in 'Observing
> Systems'. As I understand it, Heinz is saying what Varela went on to
> explicate, that such activities are 'embodied ' is the present
> structure of the system.. (013)
> That fits my understanding of Stafford, but also says that VSM
> doesn't particularly say anything useful about the memory function
> 'as it is normally understood'. (014)
> Roger (015)
> From: Luc Hoebeke <luc.hoebeke@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer
> <UCD-STAFFORDBEER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:53:24 +0200
> To: UCD-STAFFORDBEER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: VSM and memory (016)
> Dear all, (017)
> Working in the virtual
> Wikispace http://cybernetics-society.wikispaces.com/ we are
> confronted with archiving activities. As we are exploring the
> relation between the virtual and the real, a strange question came
> to my mind. In the VSM there is no explicit mention of a memory
> function as it is normally understood. No storage. In the discussion
> of
> the http://cybernetics-society.wikispaces.com/message/list/Images-at-work
> I
> try to give a first answer. But I think this is something to explore
> more profoundly. (018)
> Kind regards, (019)
> Luc (020)
> For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org For the
> Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to:
> www.platformforchange.org (021)
> For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org For the
> Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to:
> www.platformforchange.org (022)
> For more information go to: www.metaphorum.orgFor the Metaphorum
> Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to:
> www.platformforchange.org (023)
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