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From: Leonid Ototsky <leo@xxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 12:45:14 +0600
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Dear Ontology-ers
Suppose it will be interesting for you to look at correspondences from
the VSM mailing list around a "cooperation" with the Ontolog
community.    (01)

Leonid Ototsky - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it
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From:                  Nick Green <nick_green@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To:                   UCD-STAFFORDBEER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date:      Fri, 20 Apr 2007 03:52:22 +0100
Subject:  : VSM and memory    (02)

Yes Luc, Leonid and I are in the thick of this and currently looking at VSM
(and a little Pask IA, I must confess) as an Upper Ontology or helpful in
selecting candidates for an Upper ontology. Isn't memory just equated with
variety? On an ad hoc basis I have equated Sys4 as a data mine.    (03)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leonid Ototsky" <leo@xxxxxx>
To: <UCD-STAFFORDBEER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: VSM and memory    (04)


Luc,
Suppose a very interesting approach to the "memory" problem uses the
ISO 15926 . It use principle 4D approach.
Nick Green will communicate with the leader of that approach - Matthew
West.    (05)

Leonid - http://ototsky.mgn.ru/it    (06)


Вы писали 19 апреля 2007 г., 22:04:34:    (07)

> Dear Roger,    (08)


> I agree with you. My question is then related to the virtual
> world and ICT in general: the accent on memory as a storage to be
> retrieved, browsed, googled of whatever name makes the claim that
> the internet could be a new kind of collective cognitive system is
> put in jeopardy when Varela's enactment is taken seriously.    (09)


> KInd regards,    (010)


> Luc    (011)



> Op 19-apr-07, om 17:50 heeft Roger Harnden het volgende geschreven:    (012)

>  See Heinz von Foerster's 'Memory without Record' in 'Observing
> Systems'. As I understand it, Heinz is saying what Varela went on to
> explicate, that such activities are 'embodied ' is the present
> structure of the system..    (013)

>  That fits my understanding of Stafford, but also says that VSM
> doesn't particularly say anything useful about the memory function
> 'as it is normally understood'.    (014)

>  Roger    (015)

> From: Luc Hoebeke <luc.hoebeke@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: Forum dedicated to the work of Stafford Beer
> <UCD-STAFFORDBEER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 09:53:24 +0200
> To: UCD-STAFFORDBEER@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: VSM and memory    (016)




> Dear all,    (017)

>  Working in the virtual
> Wikispace http://cybernetics-society.wikispaces.com/ we are
> confronted with archiving activities. As we are exploring the
> relation between the virtual and the real, a strange question came
> to my mind. In the VSM there is no explicit mention of a memory
> function as it is normally understood. No storage. In the discussion
> of
> the http://cybernetics-society.wikispaces.com/message/list/Images-at-work 
> I
> try to give a first answer. But I think this is something to explore
> more profoundly.    (018)

>  Kind regards,    (019)

>  Luc    (020)


>  For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org For the
> Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to:
> www.platformforchange.org    (021)





>  For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org For the
> Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to:
> www.platformforchange.org    (022)













> For more information go to: www.metaphorum.orgFor the Metaphorum
> Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to:
> www.platformforchange.org    (023)








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С уважением,
 Leonid                          mailto:leo@xxxxxx    (024)

For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org
For the Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to: 
www.platformforchange.org    (025)

For more information go to: www.metaphorum.org
For the Metaphorum Collaborative Working Environment (MCWE) go to:  
www.platformforchange.org    (026)


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С уважением,
 Leonid                          mailto:leo@xxxxxx    (027)


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