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Re: [ontolog-forum] {Disarmed} Re: OWL and lack of identifiers

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From: "Hans Teijgeler" <hans.teijgeler@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2007 16:51:43 +0200
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Hi Bill,
 
When you speak about "book" there are two possibilities:
1- you speak about a class of representation that is an aggregate of other classes of representation (strings, reals, binaries)
2- you speak about members of that class, being ink-on-paper or pixels-on-screen, i.e. physical objects that are copies of that book
 
Normally you use 1- and use a URI for that. You use 2- only in case you want to manage individual copies, such as of a contract.
 
Both can be related to as many identifiers as you need by relating it to one or more strings. In the 2- case such an identifier could be the copy number. For that (and other) reason(s) we represent strings etc as classes with a datatype property. That string class has its own URI. It can be typed as "English" (or, denormalized for FOL fans, it can be made a subclass of something like "English text").
 
Regards,
Hans


From: ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:ontolog-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bill Andersen
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 16:13
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Subject: Re: [ontolog-forum] {Disarmed} Re: OWL and lack of identifiers

Hey Ken et al..

Ken Laskey wrote:

Thus, anything that can be identified is a resource (i.e., you can use everything for something) and URIs are one means (and one that has been found very useful) for providing that identity.

I think there's a slight confusion here.  It is decidedly *not* a name (which URIs are) that provides the identity.  Granted, URIs are meant to be *identifiers* which suggests that at any given time they name one and only one thing.  Rather, it is the primitive fact that books are individuable at all, for example, that allows them to be so named.  There's the identity.

.bill


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