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Re: [ontolog-forum] Automatized databased generated Ontologies

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From: "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 10:36:26 -0800
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Juan,    (01)

In case you didn't realize, we (members of the Ontolog community) are
in the middle of a mini-series of talks and discussion, championed by
Matthew West, around the subject of "Database and Ontologies." The
series was initialized in Aug.2006, and kick-off in Oct.2006.    (02)

See: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?DatabaseAndOntology    (03)

We just had a session yesterday ... and missed you there.    (04)

All the session have been archived (slides and audio recording) ...
therefore, you might want to start from there.    (05)

Cheers.  =ppy
--    (06)


On 3/9/07, Juan Sequeda <jsequeda@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I am glad a nice thread is starting.
>
> The reason of my question, is due to our beliefs ("our" means our research
> group under the direction of Dr. Daniel Miranker) of the way the Semantic
> Web can be successful. The Semantic web will connect data, but where is most
> of this data stored? Databases! And we will continue using databases for
> life. Therefore we believe that the success of the semantic web will depend
> on the ability to easily, maybe even trivially, either generate local
> ontologies as part of a database interface or generate mappings of local
> databases to global ontologies. Currently, these mapping systems exist and
> this can be possible, to connect a DB to the semantic web (in the case of
> the D2R Server) but with all the existing databases, who is going to build
> the ontologies that are going to be needed to be mapped.
>
> Any opinions...    (07)


> On 3/9/07, Patrick Durusau <patrick@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > John,
> >
> > John F. Sowa wrote:
> > <snip>
> >
> > >And to comment on Patrick's note,
> > >
> > >PD> While certainly useful, logic should not be portrayed as
> > > > the warp and woof of ontologies or ontological work.
> > >
> > >I agree.  Ontology and logic are different subjects.  But I
> > >would add that *every* precise declarative notation that is
> > >capable of making statements that are judged true or false
> > >*is* a version of logic.
> > >
> > >UML diagrams, for example, are a version of logic.  The
> > >declarative subset of natural languages forms a version of
> > >logic -- and in fact, NL (actually Greek) was Aristotle's
> > >inspiration for the first formal logic.  And *every*
> > >statement in *every* version of logic that anyone has
> > >ever invented can be translated into natural language.
> > >
> > >So anyone who is doing any work on ontology is stating
> > >their results in some version of logic (but possibly in
> > >a rather imprecise and insufficiently understood version).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > My, what a large definition of logic you have. ;-)
> >
> > While I agree that "*every* statement in *every* version of logic" can
> > be translated into some natural language, I am not sure that the reverse
> > is true.
> >
> > Unless you are arguing that natural language is "a rather imprecise and
> > insufficiently understood version" of logic?
> >
> > Genuinely curious if you see no distinction (other than imprecision and
> > lack of understanding) between logic and natural language.
> >
> > Hope you are having a great day!
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> > >John
> > >
> > >
> >
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