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From: Peter O'Kelly <pokelly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:09:48 -0700
To: Duane Nickull <dnickull@xxxxxxxxx>
Conversation: Draft presentation for 2006/11/30
Subject: Draft presentation for 2006/11/30 (02)
Hi again -- sorry for the delay on this... Please skim the attached ppt
and LMK if it seems on-target for what you have in mind. I'll only use
the first 7 slides; the rest (an outline version of my data modeling
report) are included for reference. (03)
I'll send an abstract etc. once we're in sync on the prez part. (04)
Regards, (05)
Peter (06)
-----Original Message-----
From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 1:44 PM
To: Peter O'Kelly; Peter Yim
Subject: Re: 2nd Ontolog Implementation Panel Nov 30, 2006 (ACTION
REQUIRED) (07)
Peter: (08)
No problem. Peter Yim will load your slides into the wiki and we can
move
them so all you need is to dial in (and send your slide in advance). (09)
On behalf of the Ontolog Forum, I want to thank you in advance for your
time
and energy. (010)
Cheers (011)
Duane (012)
On 11/3/06 10:31 AM, "Peter O'Kelly" <pokelly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: (013)
> Wonderful -- thanks for sharing. Some people have such cool
hobbies...
>
> One last question re 11/30: it now looks like I'll be in NYC that day
> (just got the invitation this week), for the Vista/Office
2007/Exchange
> Server launch and assorted Microsoft meetings.
>
> I'll be available at 1:30 (10:30 Pacific) 11/30, but I'm not certain
> I'll have access to an Internet connection. If not, could you be my
> slide forwarder? Sorry for the potential extra hassle...
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 1:04 PM
> To: Peter O'Kelly
> Subject: Re: 2nd Ontolog Implementation Panel Nov 30, 2006 (ACTION
> REQUIRED)
>
> YES!!! Perfect!
>
> BTW - you have to check this out - so funny:
> http://www.glumbert.com/media/carshoot/
>
> D
>
>
> On 11/3/06 9:51 AM, "Peter O'Kelly" <pokelly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the additional context -- I look forward to exploring. To
>> ensure we're in sync, however, the topic I have in mind is a
> perspective
>> on back-to-basics conceptual/logical data modeling -- a reality
check,
>> including, for example, reasons why logical data modeling hasn't been
>> pervasively successful in the past, reasons to be more cautiously
>> optimistic now, etc. -- in keeping with the themes from my data
> modeling
>> report last year.
>>
>> I could also rant a bit about why I think XML is not an
> ideal/universal
>> meta-meta-model, and why I think organizations that assume it is (or
>> will be) are going to get burned sooner or later, and why I think
> we're
>> on the verge of a DBMS renaissance etc...
>>
>> What would be most useful for the meeting context?
>>
>> Thanks again --
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@xxxxxxxxx]
>> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2006 12:18 PM
>> To: Peter O'Kelly
>> Subject: Re: 2nd Ontolog Implementation Panel Nov 30, 2006 (ACTION
>> REQUIRED)
>>
>> Hi Peter:
>>
>> Sure. The Ontolog Forum is an informal brain trust of people who are
>> highly
>> regarded in semantic and ontology circles. We are a Community of
>> practice
>> which learns from each other:
>>
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage
>>
>> Every week, we meet to discuss various subjects. It is usually very
>> informal and active but highly theoretical in terms of the
technology.
>> For
>> this reason, once a year, we put together an implementation
discussion
>> to
>> get into the real world. To give you an example of what was
presented
>> last
>> time we did this, there is a full session recording here:
>>
>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_12_15
>>
>> You should note that there are some really large companies who are
>> involved
>> in this and some really big names in semantic research.
>>
>> What we would love to hear from you is your observations on attempts
>> (successful or other) to implement technologies that address
semantics
>> or
>> ontological concepts. I figure you are a great resource given your
>> expertise in data modeling and if you can share 4-5 slides on this at
> a
>> medium technical level, it would be great.
>>
>> FYI - this group seldom let's random outsiders talk so the fact
Burton
>> is
>> invited is a huge street credibility builder. I am also sure that
you
>> may
>> find the group interesting yourself. If you ever have questions on
> the
>> ontology or semantic subjects, most of these people love to provide
>> answers.
>> I regularly bounce stuff off of them.
>>
>> Some of the illuminaries:
>> - Adam Pease - Owner/maintainer of SUMO
>> - Dr. Matthew West, Reference Data Architecture and Standards Manager
> of
>> Shell International Petroleum Company, custodian of ISO 15926
>> - Dr. James Spohrer, Director of Services Research at IBM's Almaden
>> Research
>> Center
>> - Dr. Nicola Guarino from the Laboratory for Applied Ontology in
Italy
>> - Dr. Denise Bedford of the World Bank
>> - Adam Cheyer - Program Director in SRI's Artificial Intelligence
> Center
>> - Professor Bob Smith (Cal State U & Tall Tree Labs)
>> - Dr. Patrick Cassidy of MITRE
>> - Dr. York Sure, Assistant Professor at the Institute AIFB of the
>> University of Karlsruhe (Germany)
>> .. (the list goes on and on and reads like a nobel prize winners club
>> roster.
>>
>> The companies involved range from software vendors to Walt Disney to
>> Shell -
>> all over the map.
>>
>> Duane
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/3/06 2:37 AM, "Peter O'Kelly" <pokelly@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Duane -- sorry for the delayed response. Can you give me some
>> more
>>> context for this -- what you'd like me to cover in my 10 minutes
> etc.?
>>> thx
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Duane Nickull [mailto:dnickull@xxxxxxxxx]
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:21 PM
>>> To: Peter Yim; Kurt Conrad; Roger Sippl; Buchinski.Ed@xxxxxxxxxxxxx;
>>> Gunar Penikis; Peter O'Kelly
>>> Cc: [ontolog-admin]
>>> Subject: Re: 2nd Ontolog Implementation Panel Nov 30, 2006 (ACTION
>>> REQUIRED)
>>>
>>> Peter:
>>>
>>> Inline (speakers are cc'd). Speakers: you wil need to review this
>> and
>>> get
>>> slide decks in shortly. Given the time limit is 10 minutes for each
>>> speaker, we usually find that 4-5 slides work well. Thank you again
>> for
>>> agreeing to speak at this event. The date and time are:
>>>
>>> Nov 30, 2006
>>> 10:30 AM Pacific time.
>>>
>>> The session is virtual so you can present from anywhere you have a
>> phone
>>> and
>>> internet connection.
>>>
>>> More below:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/2/06 9:47 AM, "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Duane & Kurt,
>>>>
>>>> Time for me to follow-up with you guys on the "Ontology
Applications
>> &
>>>> Implementations (Take-II)" panel session preparation work. Since
>> there
>>>> will be no calls on 11/9 & 11/23, your 11/30 session is actually
> only
>>>> 2 sessions away!
>>>>
>>>> Kindly e-mail me the following (or post the input directly to the
>>>>
>>
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2006_11_30/Prep
>>>> page, and notify me by e-mail when you're done):
>>>>
>>>> 1. overall session title and session abstract
>>> Ontology Applications & Implementations (Take-II)
>>>>
>>>> 2. list of issues (or questions for discussion) we plan to tackle
at
>>>> this session
>>> The abstracts is as follows: The session is comprised of four small
>>> presentations (10 minutes each) discussing aspects of real world
>>> implementation of Ontological and Semantic applications. Each
>> presenter
>>> will follow their talk with a strictly limited 5 minute minor Q&A.
> At
>>> the
>>> end of the fourth Q&A session, a larger general Q&A will take place
>> and
>>> evolve into a free form conversation.
>>>
>>> The gist is to learn what approaches are being used in the field to
>>> solve
>>> some of the ontology concerns in today's IT world. Presenters will
>>> generously share their experiences including issues they encountered
>> and
>>> how
>>> they solved them. Talks will also be open to what might be in the
>>> future.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> 3. list of panelists/speakers
>>>
>>> I have cc'd the speakers who have agreed to do this. They are:
>>>
>>> Peter O'Kelly, Burton Group
>>> Ed Buchinski, Treasury Board of Canada
>>> Gunar Penekis, Adobe Systems
>>> Roger Sippl, Above all Software.
>>>
>>> Gunars talk will be on XMP as a metadata serialization format based
> on
>>> RDF
>>> and XML. At this time, I will ask if the others can please send in
>>> their
>>> topics and fill in the information below.
>>>>
>>>> 3a/b. each of their talk (a) titles and (b) abstracts
>>>>
>>>> 3c. e-mail address for any of them, if they are not already Ontolog
>>> members
>>>>
>>>> 3d. bio(s) for any of them, if they don't already a namesake page
>> that
>>>> is informative enough on our wiki.
>>>>
>>> Panelists, please note the following:
>>>
>>>> I would also need for you to inform all the panelists that:
>>>>
>>>> 4. we'll be subscribing them onto the [ontolog-forum] list (ref.
3c
>>>> above) if they aren't already ... so that they can continue to
>>>> interact with the community. (Need their consent ... although we'll
>>>> take "no object" as a consent.)
>>>>
>>> Please note that the recordings are often listened to many times
> after
>>> the
>>> fact.
>>>
>>>> 5. that they are aware of the Ontolog IPR policy (ref:
>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32), and
the
>>>> fact that we will be recording the session ... and will 'publish'
>> such
>>>> as open content.
>>>>
>>>> (5a. typical details for engaging a speaker on Ontolog can be
>>>> referenced at:
>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-admin/2006-10/msg00009.html
>>>> )
>>>>
>>>> 6. Please ask them to look over the "Virtual Speaker Session Tips"
>>>> page at:
>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?VirtualSpeakerSessionTips
>>>>
>>>> 7. To get a feel for the format and content for this event, please
>>>> suggest (I think Duane has already done it, may help to highlight
>>>> again) they look over the content of your last Panel Discussion
>>>> session on this topic at:
>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_12_15
>>>> or the proceedings on other Ontolog events under:
>>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidZ
>>>>
>>>> Can we have all of the above on or before 12-Nov-2006, that way, I
>> can
>>>> compile the session page, and start announcing the event, please.
>>>>
>>> Speakers, please note this deadline. Earlier is better.
>>>> 8. then we would need all the slide decks - let's put that deadline
>> at
>>>> 26-Nov-2006.
>>>>
>>>> Please feel free to e-mail or call me if there is any question.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>> --
>>>> (014)
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