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Re: [ontolog-forum] Re: Semantics

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From: Internet Business Logic <ibl@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:49:43 -0400
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Hi Adam, All --


You wrote...

The intent of the engineer who created the term may be different from that of a later engineer who wants to add semantics to the term.  I don't see any general solution to this other than controlling the upper ontology to a degree by having a single architect, and well trained collaborators.

A proposed general solution is surely the use of URIs in the semantic web.

                                                 Cheers,  -- Adrian


Adam Pease wrote:
Hi Duane,
  A good way to check this issue I think is to look at SUMO.  The only "primitives" that are undefined in the ontology are the logical operators, which are defined in the SUO-KIF language specification.  Every term builds up definitions from the logical operators, and then other terms.  I don't believe there are any circular definitions in the ontology, although I'd be glad to discuss any that appear so, since that would be a bug.
  Ron Schuldt brings up the issue of language, which is often a problem with informal ontologies that do not separate logical terms from linguistic tokens.  A formal ontology such as SUMO must distinguish language from logic to avoid the sort of confusion or imposition he describes.  SUMO does this by keeping WordNet synsets and SUMO terms related but separate.
  Lisa brings up an interesting issue about "semantic shift".  In a formal ontology, terms mean exactly what the axioms say they mean.  However, very few terms in the common sense world have necessary and sufficient definitions.  Each new axiom in which a term appears adds to its formal definition.  It is quite possible to use a term in a way that is consistent with its semantics so far, and then extends those semantics.  If there are a lot of terms in an ontology, the engineer may make an error in the use of the term.  Testing for logical contradictions or against a regression test suite can help.  Because common sense terms don't often have sufficient (in the mathematical sense) definitions they are unfinished products.  The intent of the engineer who created the term may be different from that of a later engineer who wants to add semantics to the term.  I don't see any general solution to this other than controlling the upper ontology to a degree by having a single architect, and well trained collaborators.  Fortunately, that's the case for SUMO.

Adam


At 07:25 AM 5/3/2005, Duane Nickull wrote:


Chris Menzel wrote:

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Well, if a definition of a concept *does* make use of concepts that are
axiomatized in terms of concept being defined, then it is just a bad
definition.
Chris:

This is what I wanted to explore.  Look at the english dictionary - it uses all the words that are defined in the dictionary to define the words in the dictionary. A great deal of care is taken to avoid direct inclusion of terms in circular references however most of the words defined by the dictionary are probably used in definitions of other words.

Is that really an ontology?  Are there formulas that state the number of levels a word must be reasonably not used in a set of definitions until it is used again?

Example:

1. A Company is a military unit, typically consisting of 100-200 soldiers

2. A Battalion is an army unit usually consisting of a headquarters and three or more companies

3. A Division is an military unit large enough to sustain combat

4. A Regiment is a military unit, larger than a company and smaller than a division

In the definition of Regiment #4, we have used words to explain it that were just defined themselves #1,3.  #2 is superfluous yet aids in providing semantics to some degree (or does it?).

Sorry to once again be the loose cannon ;-)

Duane




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