Hi Frank, (01)
> [FG] ... Please know that my intent is well-intentioned. (02)
[ppy] Thanks. I never doubted your intention (although it is not
relevant to the matter at hand.) (03)
> [FG] The material provided "is" free and open subject to the clear
> terms that are documented on the site's Master Agreement (04)
[ppy] "Free" and "Open" are clearly defined, and unambiguous concepts
when one is talking about IPR and use licensing in the context of our
"open" community (ref. http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html &
http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.php ). When you subject
something that is "free" or "open" to further terms and conditions,
you may render it "not free" or "not open" any more (which I suspect
is your case), and have therefore, suggested that you review the
situation. (05)
> [FG] ... (as is compliant with the
> point in your second bullet, below) (06)
[ppy] unfortunately, the "exception" mentioned in my second bullet,
is *only* applicable to events where a prior waiver has been
sanctioned (usually by the organizers of that event, which would
include a convener of this community). It is *not* generally
applicable to nominal contributions by members to the Ontolog-CWE. (07)
> [FG] Our goal is to empower people and enterprises ...
> ...
> ... one of the ways to give back. (08)
[ppy] I respect your goals and intent, and therefore, would again,
hope that you would consider opening up any work that is not already
under one of the compatible "free" or "open" use licenses before
contributing/discussion them here, so our community, and the world at
large, would benefit from it. (09)
> [FG] I hope you'll agree that the content is
> compliant, as I see nothing in the IPR and policies that
> conflicts with our own MA or that shows otherwise. (010)
[ppy] It's *not* whether I agree. Based on the above, I have a
feeling that your content isn't (because you subjected them to further
conditions), when taken "as is." However, if *you agree* (since you
are in a position to multiple license your work, assuming you are the
IPR owner) that you are making your contribution in accordance with
the Ontolog IPR Policy, *then it will be* ... and any user may then
treat your contribution like any other Ontolog contribution. (011)
If that is the way you would like to go, kindly confirm that in
writing (in your next post to the list) so we have a record of that in
the archives. Otherwise, you might need to consider withdrawing your
post. (012)
I hope this really clarifies the situation, and that we can close the
discussion. (013)
Thank & regards. =ppy
-- (014)
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:29 AM, Frank Guerino
<Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> HI Peter,
>
> I understand and wholly respect your concerns. Please know that my intent
> is well-intentioned.
>
> The material provided "is" free and open subject to the clear terms that
> are documented on the site's Master Agreement (as is compliant with the
> point in your second bullet, below). The terms state that people cannot
> profit from it by doing such things as rebranding, representing, etc. Our
> goal is to empower people and enterprises to be successful from shared
> industry wisdom but not to allow vendors to profit from the vast efforts
> that it took and it's constantly taking to collect, document and publish
> the material. Like the many other contributions made to the community,
> members can cite the material with proper reference, use it for
> themselves, talk about it, etc., but they simply cannot resell or profit
> from the material.
>
> By the way, I also want to share that every time I post this type of
> material I consistently get multiple direct emails from forum members that
> provide positive feedback and even ideas for improvement.
>
> Again, please know that my intent is to simply share and help improve the
> experience for all. I've always found the forum useful for myself and
> this is one of the ways to give back. I hope you'll agree that the
> content is compliant, as I see nothing in the IPR and policies that
> conflicts with our own MA or that shows otherwise.
>
> I hope this clarifies.
>
> ...[snip]...
>
> My Best,
>
> Frank (015)
> On 8/25/11 1:15 PM, "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>Hi Frank,
>>
>>
>>My main concern is in whether or not the content you are drawing our
>>community membership to (or is discussing with the community through
>>that solicitation) qualifies as "free or open" technology, or "open
>>content." The Ontolog CWE (collaborative work environment) is
>>specifically reserved for free and open material. If your material
>>qualifies, then we do not have a problem.
>>
>>We do have specific constraints regarding commerical-promotion or
>>self-promotional material - see:
>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidLMK
>>
>>There are exceptions, though:
>>
>>* such as event announcements, calls for papers/participations,
>>recruitment announcements, and the like (for which the terms and
>>conditions of use are documented at the respective pages) - see links
>>below: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidRER
>>
>>* we occasionally do provide opportunities to cover non-open material
>>... however, under those circumstances, special waivers would have
>>been in place - see, for example:
>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2011_01_27#nid2M1G
>>
>>I do look forward to your sharing compliant work, or your opening up
>>work that is not under one of the compatible use licenses, so our
>>community, and the world at large, can benefit from the good work you
>>and your associates are doing.
>>
>>
>>Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>-- (016)
>>On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 4:40 AM, Frank Guerino
>><Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the references to the IPR. I went through the material and
>>>the
>>> post does not appear to violate any policies, as none of the Foundation
>>> content is actually published in the forum. Instead, the posts act as
>>> nothing more than news/announcement references to such off-forum
>>>content.
>>> And, I certainly have no issues with on-forum discussion about the
>>>topics
>>> posted. It would appear that this posting would be no different than
>>>the
>>> thousands of other posts that are news or announcement posts to the
>>>forum.
>>> In those cases, such posts point to off-forum material, which is not
>>> within the scope of ownership or accountability of the forum.
>>>
>>> May I ask, were you referring to anything specific in the IPR?
>>>
>>> My Best,
>>>
>>> Frank
>>> --
>>> Frank Guerino, Chairman
>>> The International Foundation for Information Technology (IF4IT)
>>> http://www.if4it.com
>>> 1.908.294.5191 (M) (017)
>>> On 8/23/11 11:51 PM, "Peter Yim" <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Frank,
>>>>
>>>>Thank you for your post, and for sharing your resources with this
>>>>community.
>>>>
>>>>However, may I suggest that you (or your legal staff) should revisit
>>>>our membership contribution and IPR policy (they are, respectively at:
>>>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nidLGY &
>>>>http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid32 ) to make
>>>>sure this contribution is consistent with the Ontolog IPR policy (and
>>>>in the case that it isn't, you might want so state, and possibly even
>>>>withdraw the post.)
>>>>
>>>>Thanks & regards. =ppy
>>>>
>>>>Peter Yim
>>>>Co-convener, ONTOLOG
>>>>-- (018)
>>>>On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Frank Guerino
>>>><Frank.Guerino@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> Good Day,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to inform the group that, in a request for more content, the
>>>>> Foundation has released a number of new taxonomies that include but
>>>>>are
>>>>> not limited to:
>>>>>
>>>>> * A "Glossary Taxonomy
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.if4it.com/SYNTHESIZED/FRAMEWORKS/TAXONOMY/hierarchical_glos
>>>>>sa
>>>>>ry
>>>>> _taxonomy.html>" that provides a hierarchy of Glossaries, Terms and
>>>>> Definitions that are semantically grouped by relevant domain area.
>>>>> * A "File Plan Taxonomy
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.if4it.com/SYNTHESIZED/FRAMEWORKS/TAXONOMY/file_plan_taxonom
>>>>>y.
>>>>>ht
>>>>> ml>" that specifically correlates with the previously published
>>>>>"Records
>>>>> Management Taxonomy
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.if4it.com/SYNTHESIZED/FRAMEWORKS/TAXONOMY/records_managemen
>>>>>t_
>>>>>ta
>>>>> xonomy.html>" and the "Records Taxonomy
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.if4it.com/SYNTHESIZED/FRAMEWORKS/TAXONOMY/records_taxonomy.
>>>>>ht
>>>>>ml
>>>>>>."
>>>>> * A "Service Taxonomy
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.if4it.com/SYNTHESIZED/FRAMEWORKS/TAXONOMY/service_taxonomy.
>>>>>ht
>>>>>ml
>>>>>>" that covers the majority of all enterprise and IT services.
>>>>> * A "Software Taxonomy
>>>>>
>>>>><http://www.if4it.com/SYNTHESIZED/FRAMEWORKS/TAXONOMY/management_softwa
>>>>>re
>>>>>_t
>>>>> axonomy.html>" that itemizes the many different categories of
>>>>>enterprise
>>>>> and IT software.
>>>>>
>>>>> I remind the readers that the Foundation's goal is to supplement data,
>>>>> information and knowledge professionals, especially those in IT and
>>>>>those
>>>>> who cannot afford the services of expensive consulting and research
>>>>> organizations, with controlled vocabularies, constructs, frameworks,
>>>>>and
>>>>> learning material intended to help them be as successful as possible.
>>>>>The
>>>>> release of these Taxonomies is part of a series of steps by the
>>>>>Foundation
>>>>> to do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Foundation always urges readers to be well informed by exploring
>>>>>all
>>>>> available option. All Foundation content is open to the public and
>>>>> subject to the terms of use that are listed on its site, which state,
>>>>>in
>>>>> short, that users are free to leverage the material for themselves and
>>>>> their enterprises but not profit from it in any manner.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other IF4IT publications, such as various industry frameworks, can be
>>>>> found on our Resources <http://www.if4it.com/resources.html> web page.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope you find the material useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> My Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Frank Guerino, Chairman
>>>>> The International Foundation for Information Technology
>>>>> <http://www.if4it.com/> (IF4IT <http://www.if4it.com/>)
>>>>> 1.908.294.5191 (M)
>>>>>
>>>>>
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