Yes, very meticulous, Kurt. Thanks much! (01)
Leo (02)
ps. one nit: my name is misspelled (but very common mistake!) (03)
"Peter P. Yim" wrote:
>
> Eli,
>
> Thank you for the message.
>
> Great goal you have ... I appreciate your pragmatism too.
>
> > My understanding of your project is that you are focused on
> > creating a detailed ontology of a specific subdomain covered
> > by the UBL.
>
> The domain for UBL is the business (or eBusiness) domain. While its
> release 0p70 covers a limited vocabulary should in no way be construed
> as the limitation of their scope. Similarly ontolog's. Our tie-in with
> UBL (besides for historic reasons) also stems from our trust that they
> are on track to becoming a "universal" standard (ISO, maybe?), as
> substantiated by its OASIS, ebXML, UN/CEFACT connections (and the
> myriad of liaisons support it has assembled).
>
> > ... What are your thoughts on this?
>
> I agree we should do our best to avoid unnecessary duplication of
> efforts and welcome all forms of collaboration. Unlike yours, as an
> open forum, our membership drives the direction we go (the conveners
> are merely facilitators). Once again, I invite your participation, if
> you see potential collaboration between the [ontolog] efforts and your
> initiative.
>
> This dialog should best be exchanged with the forum, rather than with
> me alone.
>
> Best regards,
> PPY
> --
>
> Eli Israel wrote Mon, 28 Apr 2003 22:53:00 -0400:
> > Peter,
> >
> > As I wrote below - we're looking to create a general framework -
> > something that can be used both by an organization to jumpstart their own
> > internal ontology development (be it for metadata management, web services
> > rationalization/discovery, or a similar aim) and by the world at large as a
> > framework for business focused aspects of the semantic web.
> > Our goal is to create models specific enough to provide a useful
> > framework, but generic enough to be widely applicable and adaptable.
> > You could think of it as the Silverston or Hay models of the ontology
> > world.
> >
> > My understanding of your project is that you are focused on creating a
> > detailed ontology of a specific subdomain covered by the UBL. Am I correct
> > in this?
> >
> > If so, we have varient, though compatible, aims.
> > For the parts of your work that are generic, the SBM should reference
> > your work. Either we could give over completely that section to you, and
> > not aim to recreate your work, or we could explicitly declare congruence (I
> > would opt for the first.) Certainly, there is little reason to redefine the
> > same domain. Where your ontology leaves the realm of the generic to descend
> > into UBL specifics I would not look at that as a core part of the SBM, but
> > perhaps an extension.
> > We would principally want to make sure that our low level elements are
> > compatible. I'm not terribly concerned about upper-level ontologies at this
> > point.
> >
> > What are your thoughts on this?
> >
> >
> > Eli
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter P. Yim" <yimpp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Eli Israel" <Eli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 7:05 PM
> > Subject: Re: [protege-discussion] Creating Semantic Business Models]
> >
> >
> > Eli,
> >
> > Thank you for your message.
> >
> > > ... Perhaps we should investigate this.
> >
> > Leo (see below) has a point too.
> >
> > Since it is the beginning stages of the open international standard
> > ontological engineering efforts for the e-business domain -- whether
> > it's W3C UN/CEFACT, OASIS, ... or ourselves, the best route is to
> > collaborate rather than starting off on separate tracks. We welcome
> > the chance to work with you and your team.
> >
> > Would you like to elaborate on where/how you see our (ontolog-forum's
> > UBL-ontology and SemanticWorld's Semantic Business Models) efforts do
> > overlap, and how they differentiate?
> >
> > Regards,
> > PPY
> > --
>
> > Eli Israel wrote Fri, 25 Apr 2003 12:25:04 +0300:
> > > Peter,
> > >
> > > I did recieve your message, and have been quietly keeping an
> > > eye on your efforts. I think you are doing great work, but I'm
> > > impressed with the quantity of work to be done. My impression
> > > was that you were moving toward creating a perfect model of
> > > a small area. I'm more concerned with creating
> > > a general framework for a much larger area.
> > > I suspect our efforts could dovetail quite nicely.
> > > Perhaps we should investigate this.
> > >
> > > Eli
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: [ontolog-forum] [Fwd: Creating Semantic Business Models]
> > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 08:48:15 -0400
> > From: Leo Obrst <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Reply-To: "[ontolog-forum] " <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Organization: The MITRE Corporation
> > To: Ontolog-Forum-NEW <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > CC: Mike Uschold <michael.f.uschold@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > FYI. Mike Uschold brought this to my attention. Sounds comparable to
> > our effort, no?
>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Peter P. Yim" <yimpp@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: "Eli Israel" <Eli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Cc: <ontolog-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 2:09 AM
> >>Subject: [Fwd: [protege-discussion] Creating Semantic Business Models]
> >>
> >>
> >>Hello Eli,
> >>
> >>Congratulations on your new initiative.
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>PPY
> >>
> >>P.S. did the message I sent you on 4/1/03 ever reach you?
> >>(see http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-admin/2003-04/msg00000.html)
> >>-ppy
> >>--
>
> >>-------- Original Message --------
> >>Subject: Creating Semantic Business Models
> >>Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2003 01:10:09 +0300
> >>From: "Eli Israel" <Eli@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>To: <kaw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <protege-discussion@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >><oiled-discussion@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> >><ontoweb-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, <swag-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Apologies for cross-postings.
> >>
> >>Announcing the Semantic Business Model (SBM) Project!
> >>
> >>Semantic World’s Semantic Business Model (SBM) is the international
> >>open effort to provide authoritative high quality models of common
> >>aspects of business and specific vertical industries. The models are
> >>provided in industry standard OWL (Web Ontology Language) format for
> >>use in introducing Semantic Information Architectures to corporate IT
> >>and in anticipation of introducing the Semantic Web into industry.
> >>
> >>We are currently looking for industry experts, whether experienced
> >>modelers or not, who are interested in contributing to the project.
> >>Contributors receive free training, immediate access to new models,
> >>access to industry experts, and, of course, credit for the models they
> >>create.
> >>
> >>The modeling is beginning from the bottom up, with fundamental
> >>concepts such as money and location.
> >>
> >>The project home is at http://www.SemanticWorld.org/model/index.html.
> >>
> >>Visit us on the show floor of next week's DAMA conference!
> >>
> >>
> >>Eli Israel
> >>www.SemanticWorld.Org
>
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