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Re: [bsp-forum] Great Workshop, some questions and comments

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From: "Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT)" <Toby.Considine@xxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 09:17:26 -0400
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OASIS and ISO etc. Shared this with Michelle, but not the group last night.

 

Cooperation, liaison and harmonization with other standards organizations is a first-class OASIS priority Working to reduce duplication, promote interoperability Gaining sanction/authority & adoption for OASIS Standards Formal working relationships with:

    ISO, IEC, ITU, UN-ECE MoU for E-Business

    ISO/IEC JTC1 SC34, ISO TC154, ISO TC 184, ISO TC 215

    ITU-T A.4 and A.5 recognition

    LISA, SWIFT, UPU

    ABA, ACORD, AIAG, HL7, HR-XML, ISM, MBAA, European ICTSB, CEN/ISSS, EC SEEM, PISCES, LRC

    CESA, CNIC, EA-ECA, ECIF, KIEC, PSLX, Standards-AU

    BPMI, CommerceNet, GS1 (RosettaNet), IDEAlliance, OAGi, OGC, OMA, OMG, W3C, WfMC, WS-I

 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/liaisons.php

 

"active technical liaison relationships" ^^^^

 

http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/liaison_policy.php

 

 

tc

 

 

 


"A man should never be ashamed to own that he has been in the wrong, which is but saying ... that he is wiser today than yesterday." -- Jonathan Swift


Toby Considine

Chair, OASIS oBIX TC
Facilities Technology Office
University of North Carolina
Chapel Hill, NC

  

Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu
Phone: (919)962-9073

http://www.oasis-open.org

blog: www.NewDaedalus.com

 

 

From: bsp-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:bsp-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Deborah MacPherson
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 9:13 AM
To: Rex Brooks
Cc: BSP Forum; ibcomm@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [bsp-forum] Great Workshop, some questions and comments

 

Hi All, 

 

Thanks for your responses, it will take some time to wade through them but no time like the present. Especially I need to look hard at this Umbel configuration and learn more about it. 

 

In regards to the health workshop, next years CSI Mid-Atlantic Regional Conference will be in Charlottesville VA and one of the construction tours is a new hospital cancer center. The spaces are specially designed to meet health and spiritual requirements that are atypical of hospital design. Of course hospitals have TONS of equipment, like sensors, not only for indoor air quality but literally people's health. Maybe that architect could participate in the workshop. 


Someday maybe NBIMS standards will disappear and not be expressed "... explicitly since they are fundamental to so many other applications and specifications that we take them for granted."

 

RE: develop, publish, advertise and maintain their own facilities-related Resource Lists to use this methodology and technique - is like a format or template for those tasks all the way through the process?

 

Deborah

 

On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Rex Brooks <rexb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Hi Deborah,

I am copying David Coggeshall, of Golden Gate Safety Network, who gave the presentation on the Common Operating Picture (COP). I am also copying the BSP list so that that group is also aware of this.

I think Michelle is probably better suited to address many of your questions related to BIM and NBIMS. However, I can say that OASIS does not, as far as I know, have a specific formal, legal, liaison relationship with ISO, but it has collaborated with ITU and ISO in the past. ITU adopted an ASN.1 representation of the Common Alerting Protocol (CAP)1.1 that I worked on more than a year ago, and I believe it was in 2004 that ISO adopted 5 ebXML specifications developed by OASIS with UNCEFACT:
   * ISO 15000-1: ebXML Collaborative Partner Profile Agreement
   * ISO 15000-2: ebXML Messaging Service Specification
   * ISO 15000-3: ebXML Registry Information Model
   * ISO 15000-4: ebXML Registry Services Specification
   * ISO 15000-5: ebXML Core Components Technical Specification, Version 2.01.

Our SOA Registry Repository usesthe Registry Information Model and Registry Services Specifications and some of the others though not explicitly since they are fundamental to so many other applications and specifications that we take them for granted.

I am probably going to suggest several people and groups to help organize or take the lead in helping Susan with developing an Emergency Healthcare Workshop and perhaps an Emergency Standards Workshop. The ValueListURN-Value pair concept I mentioned a couple of times yesterday is part of the EDXL Family and an educational-socialization effort is needed to stimulate local jurisidictions and EOCs to develop, publish, advertise and maintain their own facilities-related Resource Lists to use this methodology and technique, which is rather well suited for BIM, NBIMS and Sensor-OGC interests.

I learned enough with this effort, that even with four months advance work (despite the interruption of a hernia and hernia repair surgery), putting this kind of effort together needs a bit more of a team. Of course the coincidence of having the NIST workshop next week along with the OPEN SIG presentation is not likely to be duplicated. However, the annual NIST Interoperability Week in March-April is another such potential coincidence-target, as are the regular Semantic Interoperability and SOA for E-Government Conferences.

The time to start work on these efforts is soon, before the Thanksgiving-Xmas period. Coordinating this effort with the Open Ontology Repository work is something both Michelle and I have an interest in continuing.

Cheers,
Rex




At 2:30 PM -0400 10/8/08, Deborah MacPherson wrote:

Dear Rex, Michelle, and Peter,


I am honored to have participated in yesterday's workshop. I learned a lot, some activities are further along than I thought and some interface with the ways buildings are designed and actually work seem to be completely missing. For example I'm surprised the only comment on buildings by DHS was that "they have inside spaces". On the up side, the strong tie that already exists between NBIMS and OGC is sure to be a benefit in the long run.


I had a talk with Greg Ceton Technical Program Manager at CSI this morning. Basically, ISO standards (and European Standards for that matter) and the NBIMS Standard are not alike, mainly because their organizations have more staff, so there are more forms and procedures, they look for trends etc. NBIMS is much simpler than this. I'm trying to understand relationships between standards organizations, can someone please explain the relationship between ISO and OASIS if any direct relationship exists?


Its hard to say what I liked the best in the slide shows.


-Certainly the concept of Common Operating Picture is very appealing.  I'd like to see the same for museums exchanging artworks in different exhibits over time.


- The Scalable Architecture presentation was great especially SuperCuper Prototype where the XML is far in the background without the user having to fill out information that is probably already known simply by working with this type of data or question. Also interested in the comment from SourceForge that "all messages contain some elements of these major categories."


- Its very exciting to see demonstrations in Google Earth.  I truly believe OCCS Table 11 could be used to color GIS symbology a standard way by building type to help clarify the common operating picture even more. I proposed 10 standardized colors for BSP, maybe we can talk about these again. I sent a message with this same suggestion about Table 11 and colors to Charles McLean earlier today (in response to what seemed to be a sincere request for suggestions) along with another suggestion RE: the pros and cons of Fire Control Rooms.


- I also particularly like the People, Places, Things, Events and think these could be tied to building data fairly easily through special relationships between OmniClass tables.


- Once the information is exposed real time on Google Earth, is there a reason it would not be available to people in that area whether on their computers or on their cell phones so they know where to go? Is it currently possible to limit what is shown to a geographic area, in other words only people within a certain distance could receive the common picture? That way some terrorist or bank robber is not sitting miles away watching their disruption from a safe distance?


-I liked the symbols Michelle was proposing and the rapid assessment and reuse of a building (EX: a warehouse is converted into a temporary hospital then all the ambulances get re-routed there.) OPS is perfect for this.


-Also, the ability to terminate a request once it is met makes a lot of sense (EX: stop sending cots to this location, send them to this other place instead).


I'll look at the NIMS Resource Typing and Daisy.org to see if there is anything useful for architects or NBIMS there. If you have recommendations on Swarms or Smart Swarm Agents I'm curious to know more about that some day.


I started a page for collaborative editing or wishlists if a discussion could get going

<http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NBIMSinContext>http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NBIMSinContext.




Finally, I've been looking at the Umbel Ontology and based upon Peters comment to "ground any domain ontology into a foundation/upper" I'll see if I can get my classifications and standards to fit in that. That would be a great leap forward because of the convenient shape Umbel has. I'll also go back to hear their talk from the other week. If you have any advise on how to start that process please let me know.


Thanks again,


Deborah


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