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From: | "Deborah MacPherson" <debmacp@xxxxxxxxx> |
Date: | Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:47:53 -0400 |
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Toby ~ this is a very hard problem and inspiring proposed solution to at least some part of it. However, I question these phrases: "These words will provide a common basis for discussing service between all actors over the life of the building. They will also provide the groundwork for buildings to interact with actors external to themselves." I don't think it is words only, but relationships between them on many levels ~ along with future building models and geographic information including all the data themselves (for example sensor reports) somehow associated with the building, its zones, its type, regional conditions and changing global conditions. Leveraging the common basis requires more than learning technical dictionaries to build models or collect data, but Owners and public services like fire departments and environmental boards need tools for going straight to and assembling parts of the building data as needed. Could be an immediate need like shutting down air handler 2, could be long term like BobSmiths issues in Huntington Beach. "....these semantics will become the basis for interacting with BIM." But BIM is also drawings and models, and even radio chips and GPS to know where a building, including its elements and programs, are located and how they are (supposed to be) constructed. Wouldn't a future owner like to get the blueprints and specifications, or check on the performance of a service of the building by clicking on device, scanning the place/readings/elements, to get only the data needed to present in simple form? There will always be more information available than the Owner or local jurisdiction needs. If so, will this zooming, sorting and prioritizing be done using a keyboard or a mouse? I think the semantics will be hidden to most users. Can you please post the entire scenario on the charter as a sample problem? Incorporating building spaces and system zones into the framework only means adding OCCS Table 13, Spaces by Function, (based on ISO Table 4.5 Spaces by function or user activity) and OCCS Table 13, Spaces by Form (based on ISO Table 4.4 Spaces by degree of enclosure. If there can be scientific studies and maps of happiness, there can be a mathematical standard for the comfort index…. "Semantics are the words used to describe things. When similar things get the same name, we are making semantic decisions." The difference between "flat paint finish" and "flat concrete finish" is quickly evident by the first 2 digits of Division 09 vs Division 06 in MasterFormat. CSI specifications and formats already have a lot of built in semantics. How should they be used most efficiently and effectively? "The concrete basis for value in building services require a common semantic framework. At the highest level of abstraction, these services slide into ontology, where the building operator defines value. The building operator, or even the building designer, must be able to define value, to define the construction of the top level semantics. And that is the swing between building service semantics and building
service ontology." should also be added to the charter because it really explains why. Thanks for writing that post and including the very strong feedback. Ontologies do need to work in the real world too. Most of the technology is already available, sometimes its people that have a hard time interoperating. On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 7:39 AM, Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) <Toby.Considine@xxxxxxx> wrote:
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