OntologyBasedStandards Initiative Kick-off Event - Thu 2012-10-25    (3EWU)

This is a Joint Initiative of OASIS, OMG, various ISO working groups, IAOA, OOR and ONTOLOG.    (3EWV)

Abstract:    (3GGI)

OntologyBasedStandards mini-series session-1: "Moving Forward with Ontology-based Standards: Sharing Experiences-I"    (3GGJ)

This is the kick-off event for the OntologyBasedStandards mini-series, a joint initiative by OASIS, OMG, various ISO working groups, IAOA, OOR and ONTOLOG.    (3GGK)

This joint initiative is a collaborative effort by the co-organizers to drive the Ontology-based Standards agenda among the Standards Development community, the Ontology community and the Systems community. Moving "Toward Ontology-based Standards" was adopted as the theme for the OntologySummit in 2009. Some of the projects started back then, plus others that have emerged since, have produced encouraging results. We believe that sharing the experiences gained from some of those projects with the aforementioned communities will go a long way towards helping move the Ontology-based Standards agenda forward and grounding the arguments for the adoption of the "Ontology-based Standards" approach.    (3GGL)

With the above in mind, we are kicking-off the mini-series with two virtual panel sessions, showcasing efforts from the OASIS ICOM TC (on 25-Oct-2012) and those from OMG (on 8-Nov-2012.) In these two sessions, we are planning to look at exemplary work where standards have been represented both in a natural language (English, in our cases) as well as in formal ontology language(s). Through the sharing of their experiences, their approaches and processes, we shall discuss potential benefits, issues, challenges and other learnings from those projects.    (3GGM)

... see also, the OntologySummit2009_Communique and developing details at: OntologyBasedStandards (homepage for this initiative)    (3GGN)

Briefings:    (3GGO)

Agenda:    (3GH1)

OntologyBasedStandards mini-series session-1    (3GH2)

Proceedings:    (3GHC)

Please refer to the above    (3GHD)

IM Chat Transcript captured during the session:    (3GHE)

 see raw transcript here.    (3GHF)
 (for better clarity, the version below is a re-organized and lightly edited chat-transcript.)
 Participants are welcome to make light edits to their own contributions as they see fit.    (3GHG)
 -- begin in-session chat-transcript --    (3GHH)
	[09:12] PeterYim: Welcome to the    (3GTP)
	 = OntologyBasedStandards Initiative Kick-off Event - Thu 2012-10-25 =    (3GTQ)
	This is a Joint Initiative of OASIS, OMG, various ISO working groups, IAOA, OOR and ONTOLOG.    (3GTR)
	* Topic: OntologyBasedStandards mini-series session-1: "Moving Forward with Ontology-based Standards: Sharing Experiences-I"    (3GTS)
	* Session Co-chairs: Ms. ElisaKendall (OMG; Thematix) & Mr. PeterYim (ONTOLOG; CIM3)    (3GTT)
	* Invited Opening Speaker: Mr. JamesStPierre (Deputy Director of the Information Technology Laboratory, NIST)    (3GTU)
	* Opening briefs from the leadership of the co-organizing communities:
	** OASIS - Mr. ChetEnsign (Director of Standards Development, OASIS )
	** OMG - Mr. AndrewWatson (Vice President & Technical Director, OMG)
	** ISO - Ms. DeniseWarzel (ISO/IEC JTC1 SC32 Convener; NCI/NIH)
	** IAOA - Professor MichaelGruninger (Executive Councillor, IAOA; U of Toronto)
	** OOR - Professor KenBaclawski (Co-Lead, OOR; Northeastern U) 
	** ONTOLOG - Dr. LeoObrst (Co-convener, ONTOLOG; MITRE)    (3GTV)
	* Invited Talks:
	** Overview: Professor MichaelGruninger (U of Toronto; IAOA) - "Augmenting Standards with Ontologies" ... [ [ slides] ]    (3GER)
	** Sharing Experiences: Professor KenBaclawski (Co-chair, OASIS ICOM TC; Northeastern U) & Mr. Eric. S. Chan (Co-chair, OASIS ICOM TC; Oracle) - "Extracting Ontologies from Standards: Experiences and Issues"    (3GTW)
	Logistics:    (3GTX)
	* Refer to details on session page at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_10_25    (3GTY)
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	 == Proceedings: ==    (3GU2)
	0    (3GU3)
	[06:35] anonymous morphed into MarkLinehan    (3GU4)
	[07:30] anonymous morphed into PaulBrandt    (3GU5)
	[09:14] anonymous morphed into DavidLeal    (3GU6)
	[09:15] anonymous morphed into ElisaKendall    (3GU7)
	[09:18] anonymous morphed into AndrewWatson    (3GU8)
	[09:24] anonymous morphed into AnatolyLevenchuk    (3GU9)
	[09:25] anonymous morphed into Kevin Tyson    (3GUA)
	[09:26] anonymous morphed into Elie Abi-Lahoud    (3GUB)
	[09:26] anonymous1 morphed into TomTinsley    (3GUC)
	[09:28] anonymous morphed into PaulTyson    (3GUD)
	[09:29] anonymous1 morphed into PatHayes    (3GUE)
	[09:30] anonymous2 morphed into Roy Bell    (3GUF)
	[09:30] anonymous1 morphed into Tara Athan    (3GUG)
	[09:31] anonymous2 morphed into DeanWilliams    (3GUH)
	[09:31] anonymous morphed into Richard Martin    (3GUI)
	[09:31] anonymous2 morphed into RosarioUcedaSosa    (3GUJ)
	[09:32] anonymous morphed into SylvereKrima(NIST)    (3GUK)
	[09:34] anonymous3 morphed into StuartTurner    (3GUL)
	[09:34] anonymous2 morphed into Lamar Henderson    (3GUM)
	[09:34] Ramdsriram: Is anyone having problems with opening the Shared Window (www.tightvnc.com) on a 
	Mac?    (3GUN)
	[09:35] AndrewWatson: I'm running it OK on Mac OS 10.5.8    (3GUO)
	[09:35] AndrewWatson: Takes time to start up    (3GUP)
	[09:36] anonymous morphed into DeborahMacPherson    (3GUQ)
	[09:37] PeterYim: == Elisa started the session ... (see her slides) ...    (3GUR)
	[09:38] anonymous morphed into DeniseWarzel    (3GUT)
	[09:38] anonymous1 morphed into BobSchloss    (3GUU)
	[09:38] anonymous morphed into JieZheng    (3GUV)
	[09:42] DeanWilliams: Are the slide presentations in order ? [ 2-OASIS ] . [ 3-OMG ] . [ 4-ISO ] . [ 
	5-IAOA ] . [ 6-OOR ] . [ 7-ONTOLOG ] . [ 8-Gruninger ] . [ 9-Baclawski-Chan ]    (3GUW)
	[09:42] DeanWilliams: Each speaker should indicate which set of slides they are presenting.    (3GUX)
	[09:43] anonymous morphed into Lamar Henderson    (3GUY)
	[09:43] DeniseWarzel: @Peter: i can't get to the shared screen, http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/ is that 
	correct?    (3GUZ)
	[09:53] PeterYim: @DeniseWarzel - don't worry about getting into the vnc server, just run the slides 
	on your desktop, and prompt me to advance (announcing the slide number every time too, if you 
	please)    (3GV0)
	[09:51] DeniseWarzel: the shared screen is asking for a password...?    (3GV1)
	[09:51] SumitPurohit: view-only password: "ontolog"    (3GV2)
	[09:53] DeniseWarzel: wonderful! password worked!    (3GV3)
	[09:44] DeanWilliams: I could not get there either, but the slides are online. We are on the 
	presentation [2-OASIS}    (3GV4)
	[09:45] Adriano: I could not get there either, I'm using the slides that are online    (3GV5)
	[09:46] AnatolyLevenchuk: Shared screen http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/ not working in Firefox but works 
	in Internet Explorer for me. [ppy-comment: it does work on firefox; yours could just be a java 
	configuration issue.]    (3GV6)
	[09:47] AndrewWatson: Also works in Chrome and Camino under Mac OS 10.5    (3GV7)
	[09:45] anonymous morphed into AidaGandara    (3GV8)
	[09:45] PeterYim: == JamesStPierre from NIST, delivering the opening sppech    (3GV9)
	[09:51] PeterYim: @JimStPierre and RamSriram - apologies about the slides, it has now been updated 
	to reflect the speaker change - slide#4 at: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OntologyBasedStandards/2012-10-25_Ontology-based-Standards-I/Ontology-based-Standards_launch-intro--ElisaKendall-PeterYim_20121025.pdf    (3GVA)
	[09:49] PeterYim: == ChetEnsign presenting, on behalf of OASIS    (3GVB)
	[09:46] DeanWilliams: Is there a governance document for OASIS online?    (3GVC)
	[09:57] PeterYim: @DeanWilliams - for OASIS's governance document - see: 
	https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process ... they are among the best around ... 
	incidentally, ONTOLOG defaults to the OASIS process whenever we don't have a policy specified (ref. 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid20 )    (3GVD)
	[09:49] BobSchloss: Here at IBM's T J Watson Research Center, we are doing just what was said about 
	blending into ontologies (in our case using OWL) pre-existing standards, such as OASIS Common 
	Alerting Protocol (CAP), NIEM and many others.    (3GVE)
	[10:15] SteveRay: @Bob: I would be interested in hearing more about your work on an ontology for CAP 
	and related. Will that be published anywhere?    (3GVF)
	[10:29] BobSchloss: @SteveRay - my colleague, RosarioUcedaSosa talked about it in June at the 
	Semantic Technologies conference held in San Francisco. A more technical whitepaper should hopefully 
	be available next month.    (3GVG)
	[10:20] RosarioUcedaSosa: @Steve, We can send you a presentation we did on SCRIBE at SemTech 2012 in 
	San Francisco    (3GVH)
	[10:21] RosarioUcedaSosa: @ steve pls send us email to rosariou [at] us.ibm.com and copy rschloss 
	[at] us.ibm.com    (3GVI)
	[10:22] SteveRay: @Rosario: Will do. Thanks.    (3GVJ)
	[09:54] PeterYim: == AndrewWatson, speaking on behalf of OMG    (3GVK)
	[09:55] PatHayes: SIG = special interest group??    (3GVL)
	[09:56] ElisaKendall: @PatHayes - yes    (3GVM)
	[10:00] PeterYim: == DeniseWarzel presenting ...    (3GVN)
	[10:00] DeanWilliams: Thank you for the link to the governance document...    (3GVO)
	[10:05] RosarioUcedaSosa: Does anybody know of any sizable application using any of these standards? 
	Either in Life Sciences or Finances or Enterprise Computing?    (3GVP)
	[10:07] DeborahMacPherson: Aren't there some updates to 11179 Part 3?    (3GVQ)
	[10:12] DeniseWarzel: @deborah Yes, there is 11179-3 Ed3 about to be published (FDIS stage), it 
	extends the basis for concepts to define meaning to more parts of the basic metamodel than were 
	found in 11179-3 Ed 2    (3GVR)
	[10:07] PeterYim: @LeoObrst (MichaelGruninger, KenBaclawski, et al. please note) - since you have a 
	hard stop coming up (so you can make it to your STIDS-2012 panel), Elisa will be moving your 
	presenting up ... you will do the "Ontolog View" talk right after DeniseWarzel.    (3GVS)
	[10:08] BobSchloss: A devil's advocate question -- in the era of high-quality text analytics that is 
	starting to emerge, and with social knowledge aggregation facilities (like taggings and ratings), do 
	people on this call continue to expect that the classic approach to "designed and well-documented 
	ontologies" will continue to be popular for the next 5-10 years?    (3GVT)
	[10:13] SteveRay: @Bob: To answer your question, I think the main difference will be in 
	machine-to-machine communication, where the more formal ontology will continue to be useful. For 
	people, I agree with your implication that text analytics etc. will grow.    (3GVU)
	[10:12] TerryLongstreth: @BobSchloss - a 'well-documented' (i.e, formal and to some degree 
	demonstratively correct) ontology will continue to serve as an engineering (and I would hope, 
	operational) document for ad hoc interoperability    (3GVV)
	[10:19] BobSchloss: I raised this as a "devil's advocate" question because I am 100% on board with 
	what Denise, Steve and Terry are saying -- that's why I was the co-chair of the W3C working group 
	that created RDF. But I am sometimes asked questions about how to prevent ontologies from becoming 
	brittle; how to prevent large communities from breaking into subcommunities with their own 
	non-strictly compatible subdialects, etc.    (3GVW)
	[10:23] RichardMartin: @Bob, you raise an interesting possibility for the future. By which means can 
	we maintain M2M interoperability when the people building and using those machines drift into 
	conflicting meta-models of appropriate interoperation.    (3GVX)
	[10:31] DeniseWarzel: @Bob/Martin, 19763 Part 10 core Model and mapping, is still in development, 
	and its purpose it to allow people to register mappings between different registered instances of 
	objects in the 11179 and 19763 metamodels. This could be used to make assertions at the meta level, 
	e.g. "Process A in Model X is the equivalent to Process B in Model Y." These could be already 
	related if they have used the same Ontology to annotate the Process, or they can be explicitly 
	mapped using 19763-10 if they have used different Ontologies. If you are interested in helping 
	review/provide feedback on this part, please let me know warzeld at mail.nih.gov    (3GVY)
	[10:32] RosarioUcedaSosa: @Denise, I'd like to take a look at it. We're also working on ontology 
	mapping.    (3GVZ)
	[10:33] DeniseWarzel: @Rosario, please email me (email address in prior posting).    (3GW0)
	[10:09] PeterYim: ALL: please note that we are tweaking the speaking order here - 
        inserting [ LeoObrst-ONTOLOG ], then back to [ MichaelGruninger-IAOA ] & [ KenBaclawski-OOR ] after that    (3GW1)
	[10:10] PeterYim: == LeoObrst presenting ...    (3GW2)
	[10:15] PeterYim: == Michael Gruninger presenting on the IAOA position ...    (3GW3)
	[10:16] DeniseWarzel: the WG2 standards are in the context of SC32 Data Management and Interchange. 
	The primary intent is to develop metadata standards that will guide people to implement metadata 
	that is unambiguous meaning for both humans, and almost more importantly, computers. The use of 
	ontologies with concepts with URIs is key    (3GW4)
	[10:22] PeterYim: == KenBaclawski presenting for the OOR Initiative ...    (3GW5)
	[10:25] BobSchloss: @Ken - Will the OOR people consider helping create and host a cloud-hosted 
	repository of ontologies based on recent technologies, things like GitHub or the Jazz Server and 
	Open Services for Lifecycle Computing (OSLC - http://www.open-services.net ) ?    (3GW6)
	[10:26] BobSchloss: And should OOR do this by itself, or in collaboration with NIST, OMG, OASIS or 
	whoever?    (3GW7)
	[10:30] KenBaclawski: @Bob - Certainly the OOR Initiative is eager to collaborate with other groups. 
	Making more connections was one of the motivations for this mini-series.    (3GW8)
	[10:28] anonymous morphed into PaulCourtney    (3GW9)
	[10:33] DeniseWarzel: It would be nice if OOR tried to use a standard for their registry, either by 
	identifying how what they have done maps to 19763-3 (ontology registration), or to suggest 
	extensions to 19763-3 based on their experiences. 19763-3 is 'shallow' in terms of the attributes of 
	ontologies that are registered, but 'deep' where it guidance on how to record change to the ontology 
	concepts over time.    (3GWA)
	[10:35] KenBaclawski: @Denise - How do we go about obtaining 19763?    (3GWB)
	[10:44] DeniseWarzel: @Ken you can get a copy of the current drafts from the WG2 web site. Links are 
	in the slides too, http://metadata-standards.org/19763/    (3GWC)
	[10:40] PeterYim: == MichaelGruninger presenting the "Augmenting Standards with Ontologies" overiew 
	...    (3GWD)
	[10:45] DeborahMacPherson: Great presentation Michael    (3GWE)
	[10:45] DavidLeal: ISO/TS 15926-3 does some initial work on an ontology for shape.    (3GWF)
	[10:45] MichaelGruninger: COLORE (Common Logic Ontology Repository) 
	http://code.google.com/p/colore/    (3GWG)
	[10:53] RosarioUcedaSosa: @Michael, we'd also be interested in taking a look at the repository that 
	you have and learn about how you evaluate ontology and identify mappings... Any chance we can 
	continue this discussion* offline? Anybody else interested? [ *ppy-comment: please consider using 
	the [oor-forum] public mailing list for this discourse. ref. 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OpenOntologyRepository#nid17YY ]    (3GWH)
	[10:54] PatHayes: @Rosario, I'd like to be on your CC list as an observer :-)    (3GWI)
	[10:55] RosarioUcedaSosa: @Pat sure thing    (3GWJ)
	[10:58] DeniseWarzel: @Rosario 'me too' (meant cc on the discussion with Michael about the 
	repository.. :-)    (3GWK)
	[10:43] PatHayes: @Michael, I think time has been done to death.    (3GWL)
	[10:44] MichaelGruninger: @Pat: I agree -- that's why I said that Time Ontologies is a mature area    (3GWM)
	[10:50] SteveRay: @Pat, @Michael: Given Time Ontologies is a mature area, which standard should I be 
	pointing to that defines time-related concepts?    (3GWN)
	[10:51] MichaelGruninger: @Steve: I can point you to the time ontologies, but I do not think that 
	there is an actual standard that contains them    (3GWO)
	[10:52] SteveRay: @Michael: That's what I was afraid to hear, because I would really like to point 
	to a URI within some standard for work I'm doing for the smart electrical grid. We need concepts 
	like AbsoluteDateTime and Duration in machine-parseable form.    (3GWP)
	[10:52] AndrewWatson: @Steve - You can download the current version of OMG's Date Time Vocabulary 
	here: http://www.omg.org/spec/DTV/    (3GWQ)
	[11:03] ChetEnsign: @SteveRay - regarding 'concepts like AbsoluteDateTime and 
	Duration in machine-parseable form' you might contact the WS-Calendar TC - I think they are tackling 
	similar questions and for the smart grid as well. See 
	https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ws-calendar/201210/msg00002.html for example - I can put you 
	in touch with Toby if that would be useful.    (3GWR)
	[11:03] ChetEnsign: WS-Calendar is part of the smart grid work at OASIS    (3GWS)
	[11:08] MarkLinehan: @SteveRay - the OMG Date-Time Vocabulary defines Duration and several concepts 
	that might be your 'AbsoluteDateTime'    (3GWT)
	[11:10] MarkLinehan: @SteveRay - the Date-Time Vocabulary is specified in SBVR and UML+OCL and 
	partially in CLIF. And we are working on a transform to OWL2.    (3GWU)
	[10:52] RosarioUcedaSosa: @Michael, I think we need an 'architecture' (for lack of a batter word) of 
	the building block ontologies (dates, locations, geometrical shapes, etc. ) identifying their focus 
	and scope. Is there any current work on this?    (3GWV)
	[10:57] MichaelGruninger: @Rosario: I'm hoping that the intersection of ontologies and standards 
	will give us some ideas for an "architecture" for identifying the building block ontologies. In some 
	ways, something like this would be quite beneficial to the ontology community by coordinating the 
	work    (3GWW)
	[10:59] MichaelGruninger: @Rosario: Yes, let's continue this discussion!    (3GWX)
	[10:59] RosarioUcedaSosa: @Michael Agree. The general discussion belongs in an ontolog work group*, 
	but given that we've talked to Mark about collaborating, I though we could have an informal 
	conversation on the topic. Just to inform our work in the next few months ...[ *ppy-comment: more 
	specifically, the [ontology-based-standards] list - see: 
	http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2012_10_25#nid3GHJ ]    (3GWY)
	[11:01] RosarioUcedaSosa: Let me send you email on this so we can put a 'stick on the ground' or see 
	if anybody else has.    (3GWZ)
	[11:02] MichaelGruninger: @Rosario: Excellent!    (3GX0)
	[10:45] PeterYim: == KenBaclawski giving the "Extracting Ontologies from Standards: Experiences and 
	Issues" talk    (3GX1)
	[10:46] anonymous morphed into BaharehHeravi    (3GX2)
	[10:49] AndrewWatson: I have to leave now - goodnight all. It's been an interesting 75 minutes!    (3GX3)
	[10:49] ElisaKendall: Thanks Andrew!    (3GX4)
	[10:50] PeterYim: @Andrew - thank YOU! ... bye!    (3GX5)
	[10:51] CoryCasanave: However, many models cross meta levels so transformation has to encompass all 
	levels.    (3GX6)
	[10:52] BaharehHeravi: Hi all, just reached the airport and managed to join. I guess I have missed 
	most of it but looking forward to great stuff.    (3GX7)
	[10:53] SteveRay: @Bahareh: I just read your thesis and wanted to congratulate you on a nice 
	treatment of the area.    (3GX8)
	[10:56] BaharehHeravi: @SteveRay thank you very much Steve. Looking forward to relevant initiatives 
	and collaborations in this community :-)    (3GX9)
	[10:52] KevinTyson: Was provenance information captured and maintained in crawling the Oasis site? 
	If so did you use prov-o?    (3GXA)
	[10:55] DeborahMacPherson: Need to sign off - good meeting!    (3GXB)
	[10:56] ElisaKendall: Thanks for your participation -- look forward to catching up soon!    (3GXC)
	[10:56] PatHayes: I have to leave very soon.    (3GXD)
	[10:56] PatHayes: @Peter, anything you need from me?    (3GXE)
	[11:12] PeterYim: @PatHayes - when we get to the open discussion, I will be mentioning that we (you, 
	I and hopefully those who were already engaged in the OASIS QUOMOS TC before, plus anyone else 
	interested) will be resuming work on QUOMOS (with a normative deliverable in CLIF), and in 
	collaboration with OMG folks too (who are working on a similar project based on SysML and OWL)    (3GXF)
	[10:58] SteveRay: I must drop off to attend another meeting. Great presentations and discussion!    (3GXG)
	[10:57] BobSchloss: There are a number of companies that specialize in ETl and Data Transformation, 
	including doing this on-the-fly as part of Data Virtualization ... although very few are focused on 
	OWL, a lot of work between XML, Relational, JSON, OData, UML, Java is already in product ready form.    (3GXH)
	[11:03] BobSchloss: Beyond products in the data transformation or data virtualization space, some of 
	the products in the Business Intelligence space and some of the products in the Master Data 
	Management space also can import and use more than one kind of "data model" "schema" or "ontology".    (3GXI)
	[11:05] BobSchloss: So my question to Ken is, are you doing this because you want a library to do 
	this that is completely open-source? Or are their technical issues relating to mapping that you want 
	to get worked out? [I have a few colleagues at the IBM Almaden Research Center who worked on some of 
	these issues between about 2003 and 2011].    (3GXJ)
	[11:11] EricChan: @BobSchloss: We are using the tool for model extraction to enforce consistency of 
	the ICOM standard in English (check well-formed-ness of the model specified by the natural language 
	text with respective to representations in ontology and programming languages, to enhance 
	interoperability between languages and therefore systems).    (3GXK)
	[11:18] EricChan: @BobSchloss: The tool validates the intended mappings of the standard model among 
	multiple schemas (representations). The resulting data transformation tool (one option is XSLT) can 
	be used for export/import and data access connectors in PSMW.    (3GXL)
	[11:21] BobSchloss: Just to mention that whenever a new modeling representation comes out to 
	conventional software engineers in the business world, the first year or two or three there can be 
	subtle mis-uses of the standard. So having 'lint' kind of tools is helpful. I worked on one of the 
	first such tools for the XML Schema Language, called IBM XML Schema Quality Checker, about 12 years 
	ago -- descendants of that code are in many IBM and non-IBM products. I suppose want want 
	Interactive Lint for OWL and all our other modern modeling representations.    (3GXM)
	[11:22] BobSchloss: Oops..Typo... I suppose "we want"...    (3GXN)
	[11:23] anonymous morphed into BoNewman    (3GXO)
	[11:27] BobSchloss: @KevinTyson - are you involved in FIBO? Will you be explaining how this is 
	approached in a later talk in this series? The group I am part of at IBM Watson Research Center has 
	been talking with a number of people in the Financial Services community, and would like to consider 
	doing some work on the intersection of Ontologies and BigData including Distributed BigData.    (3GXP)
	[11:27] KevinTyson: @BobSchloss, Yes I am. We are trying to use the FIBO model as a foundation for 
	our linked data work    (3GXQ)
	[11:28] BobSchloss: Please drop me an e-mail - rschloss [at] us.ibm.com and maybe we can talk next 
	week.    (3GXR)
	[11:30] ElisaKendall: @BobSchloss, I've been attempting to shepherd FIBO Business Events through the 
	OMG process, so if you have feedback, we would welcome it    (3GXS)
	[11:31] TerryLongstreth: @Rosario - NCOIC (NetCentricOperationsIndustryConsortium) 
	have been pursuing interoperability in an open world model for several years. ToddSchneider (who's 
	also active on Ontolog and OOR) is very active in NCOIC. IBM is also a member    (3GXT)
	[11:32] PeterYim: == we are in the Q&A and open discussion segment now ...    (3GXU)
	[11:33] RosarioUcedaSosa: @Terry that's a great contact. thx    (3GXV)
	[11:36] KenBaclawski: @Bob - The focus was to extract from the standard. Once one has a formal 
	representation (such as an ontology), one can transform using existing tools. In one diagram I 
	showed some of these: wsgen, xjc, jpa.    (3GXW)
	[11:38] RichardMartin: ISO 11354-1 identifies in a framework approach many of the issues to 
	interoperability and some of the opportunities for solutions to interoperation difficulties.    (3GXX)
	[11:39] KenBaclawski: @Kevin - Yes, provenance was captured and checked for consistency with the 
	document. I did find a number of inconsistencies.    (3GXY)
	[11:40] BobSchloss: Rosario and I are being kicked out of our conference room, but we will move 
	across the hall and call in for another 15 minutes.    (3GXZ)
	[11:40] DavidWhitten: @EricChan -- Thank you for dealing with syntactic issues dealing with two 
	different sources of knowledge/definitions.    (3GY0)
	[11:27] BobbinTeegarden: What are the tools now that support CLIF modeling?    (3GY1)
	[11:40] PeterYim: @BobbinTeegarden - ref CLIF modeling - wonder if PatHayes' CMAP fits the bill - 
	ef. earlier discussion at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2008-04/msg00054.html    (3GY2)
	[11:46] MichaelGruninger: try to see what's available at the Common Logic website - 
	http://cl.tamu.edu    (3GY3)
	[11:47] BobbinTeegarden: Thank you.    (3GY4)
	[11:43] DeniseWarzel: ok, have to sign off now, thanks to all the speakers, good meeting!    (3GY5)
	[11:43] ElisaKendall: Thanks again, Denise    (3GY6)
	[11:45] MichaelGruninger: I need to leave now -- thanks to the organizers!    (3GY7)
	[11:45] DavidWhitten: What was the general purpose XML parser that was mentioned by Ken ?    (3GY8)
	[11:45] KenBaclawski: http://htmlparser.sourceforge.net/ It is just for HTML.    (3GY9)
	[11:45] DavidWhitten: Thank you Ken.    (3GYA)
	[11:46] BaharehHeravi: Great meeting you. I have to go catch my flight now. Will catch up later.    (3GYB)
	[11:47] DavidWhitten: Thanks for the wonderful presentations!    (3GYC)
	[11:50] ChetEnsign: Thanks - terrific session!    (3GYE)
	[11:50] PeterYim: great session! ... Huge THANK YOU to all the speakers, and appreciations to 
	everyone who participated!    (3GYD)
	[11:50] PeterYim: -- session ended: 11:50am PDT --    (3GYF)
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