[ontolog] Member Conference Call - Thu 2005-07-28 (EBO)
Conference Call Details (EBP)
- Subject: [ontolog] member conference call Thu 2005-07-28 (EBQ)
- Agenda Comments: (EBR)
- ... build rapport; ... sync up; ... distribute, assign or arbitrate virtual ownership of tasks; ... and use it to deal with emergencies. ... plus, member suggested agenda items. (EBS)
- please post any suggested agenda items to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by WebDAV upload prior to the meeting (EBT)
- VNC session (if needed) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/ (EBU)
- Wiki page for this call (i.e. this page) is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_07_28 (EBX)
- Date: Thursday, Jul. 28, 2005 (EBY)
- Start Time: 10:30 AM PDT / 1:30 PM EDT World Clock (EBZ)
- Expected Call Duration: 1 ~ 1.5 hour (EC0)
- Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada) (EC1)
- Participant Access Code: "686564#" (EC2)
Attendees (EC3)
- Attended: (EC4)
- PeterYim (EKN)
- BobSmith (EKX)
- KurtConrad (EKM)
- MonicaMartin (ELC)
- BillMcCarthy (ELE)
- MarkMusen (first half hour only; has conflict after 11 am) (EKZ)
- MarcWine (EKO)
- Regrets: (EC7)
Agenda Ideas (EC8)
Agenda & Proceedings (EC9)
1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda (ECA)
- KurtConrad took the chair and welcomed everyone. (ECB)
2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes (ECC)
3) Roll-call of participants (ECE)
7a) In view of the fact that MarkMusen can only be with us for the first half hour of this call, let's cover all the health-ont related items first: (EL0)
- AHIC nomination - goto: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_07_28#nidEF3 (EL1)
- Revised Nomination Letter - goto:http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NominationToAHIC#nidDP3 (ELS)
- Representation at the first Federal Health IT Conference (Washington, DC - Nov. 2005) - goto: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_07_28#nidEF8 (EL2)
- report on the 2005.07.25 HHS/FHA meeting - goto: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_07_28#nidEFC (EL3)
- 2005.08.25 Ontolog "Healthcare Informatics Landscape" discussion session - see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_07_28#nidEDF (EL4)
- representation and paper submission to FCW Government Health IT Conference - Nov. 17~18, 2005, Washington, D.C. (ELY)
4) Upcoming meeting & event schedule (near future) (ECG)
- Nominal meeting types (on a monthly basis): (ECH)
- Invited Speaker Schedule for the next 3~6 months (ECO)
- August 11, 2005 - JimHendler from the University of Maryland will be doing a "Semantic Web Q & A" with the Ontolog community - see: ConferenceCall_2005_08_11 (ECP)
- Sep. 8, 2005 - ElisaKendall - on a topic related to UML & Ontologies (proposed by: BrandNiemann / PeterYim) - confirmed (ECQ)
- Oct. 13 2005 - Barry Smith - confirmed (BillMcCarthy) (EM0)
- Sep. 25, 2005 - JonBosak - on a topic related to Community Governance and the OASIS Process (proposed by: KurtConrad / SusanTurnbull) (ECR)
- JonBosak of Sun on OASIS Process - suggested (KurtConrad / SusanTurnbull) at our 2005.03.03 Planning Session - Susan: the 2005.09.23 CEW on implication on governance ... would be ideal. [Kurt will follow up with Jon and Susan] (ECT)
- possibility of this rolling into a joint SICoP or CEW-multiple CoP Best Practice event (suggested: SusanTurnbull / 2005.03.03) (ECU)
- SusanTurnbull/2005.07.20: draft title for Sept. 23, 2005 (Friday) Collaborative Expedition Workshop is: "Governance and Procurement Readiness Challenges in Future Services Oriented Architecture: Leveraging the Data Reference Model" (ECV)
- PeterYim / SusanTurnbull: let's aim at doing a 2-hour joint CEW-Ontolog session on Fri 2005.09.23 1:30~3:30pm EDT / 10:30am~12:30pm PDT (ECW)
- Kurt reports back after an excahnge with JonBosak: Jon is in Ithaca; but has a conflict on 9/23~25 and will not be available for 9/23. (EM1)
- Peter: looks like we'll have to look for another opportunity to do this, then. (EM4)
- JonBosak of Sun on OASIS Process - suggested (KurtConrad / SusanTurnbull) at our 2005.03.03 Planning Session - Susan: the 2005.09.23 CEW on implication on governance ... would be ideal. [Kurt will follow up with Jon and Susan] (ECT)
- Candidate Nov. 2005 session(s) and beyond - (ECX)
- John Sowa (suggested by BillMcCarthy) (ECY)
- DougLenat on the Cyc project (suggested by PeterYim) (ECZ)
- NicolaGuarino on DOLCE, possibly also BillAndersen or ChrisWelty (suggested by PeterYim & PatCassidy) (ED0)
- LarryReeker of NIST (suggested by SusanTurnbull) (ED1)
- SimonBuckinghamShum of the Compendium Institute ( ? ; ref. post from ScottLHolmes & PeterYim's reponse) (ED2)
- JimSpohrer from IBM Almaden Services Research (further to the 2005.06.30 discussion) (ED6)
- other suggestions: (ED3)
- Monica: suggest inviting someone from the [regrep] group (ED4)
- Rex suggsted we should also invite UDDI and XMDR people, and possibly to have all three parties (regrep, uddi & xmdr) on a panel (ED5)
- Rex suggestion: Professor Asuman Dogac from Middle East Technical University (Ankhara, Turkey) on Healthcare Ontologies in ebXML Web Services under their Artemis Project (ED7)
- Professor Dogac's work has also been previous recommended by BrandNiemann - see: http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ExpeditionWorkshop/TowardCoherenceInKnowledgeThroughAllThingsOntological_MakingSenseTogether_2004_12_09#nid6NZ (ED8)
- Peter also suggested that we should invite Dieter Fensel to talk to us some time (ED9)
- Rex / Peter: XMDR - BruceBargmeyer or someone from his XMDR team (EDA)
- PeterYim / ElisaKendall: PatHayes, DeborahMcGuinness (EDC)
- Scheduled Discussions for the next 2 months (EDD)
- DavidWhitten: maybe we should designate a moderator, and then coordinate the event from there, in a fashion similar to speaker events. (EDE)
- August 25, 2005 discussion session - moderator: RexBrooks - subject: Healthcare Informatics (EDF)
- candidate panelists: BobSmith, MarkMusen, MarcWine, DavidWhitten, ChrisChute, ... people from within and without the community (EDG)
- Rex and Bob will have a phone conference to work out some of the details (EDH)
- Peter to set up a skeleton session page, Rex will fill in the content - done, see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_08_25 (EDI)
- more work/discussion on OWL (EDJ)
- Adam: need OWL & SWRL for OWL ontologies to really be useful (EDK)
- NicolasRouquette -- topics lined up? (EDL)
- a panel with speaker representating: SUMO, OpenCyc Upper Ontology, DOLCE, ... (suggested by PeterYim) (EDM)
- Rex: possibility of working with Duane on a follow-up to the last SOA discussion (EDO)
- WSMO (Web Service Modeling Ontology), and possibly also, SWSF (Semantic Web Services Framework) - as proposed by DuaneNickull / NicolasRouquette / PeterBrown - ref. thread that started with http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2005-06/msg00017.html (EDP)
- candidate panelists: (EDQ)
- John Domingue of the Knowledge Media Institute at the Open University in the UK, who presented in Innsbruck - suggested by PeterBrown - http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum//ontolog-forum/2005-06/msg00039.html (EDR)
- reference: John Domingue's slides from the presentation at the recent W3C workshop on frameworks for semantics in web services, available at: http://www.w3.org/2005/04/FSWS/Submissions/1/wsmo_v10.pdf (EDS)
- WSMO WG website - http://www.wsmo.org (EDT)
- SDK cluster - 3 fairly large EU-based project (EDU)
- currently lots of funding in Europe for semantic web work (and funding in US has just ended), therefore expecting new work to come from Europe (EDV)
- three different viewpoints now - OWL/S, SWSI - FLOWS, and WSMO viewpoints - probably a bit early to talk about standardization (EDW)
- let's work with John Domingue toward a Oct 2005 panel discussion, with the 3 above viewpoints represented (EDX)
- John: will do ... but don't expect consensus at the end of the session ... (we understand) (EDY)
- ref. our 2005.06.30 discussion session, MichaelGruninger (who has been working on FLOWS and SWSF) indicated that this will be a session he will like to participate in too. (EDZ)
- suggest NicolasRouquette to be our moderator for this session (EE0)
- candidate panelists: (EDQ)
- Rex suggsted we should also invite UDDI and XMDR people, and possibly to have all three parties (regrep, uddi & xmdr) on a panel (EE1)
- we will not schedule a technical discussion in Sep. 2005 (EE2)
- candidates for November, 2005 (EE3)
- (EE4)
- Rex: propose "Emergency Response" (EE5)
- Kurt: we should revisit "CCTS ontology" for Nov. (even Sep.) - we'll talk to Duane again if he shows up next week; if he doesn't Kurt, will ping Duane. (EE6)
- Anders: we should have a "Tools / Testing" discussion (EE7)
- Kurt: "on metamodels, idependent of the representation" (at a level that allows us to avoid the language war) (EE8)
- Bob: as a segway into things like pi-calculus, tec. (EE9)
- New suggestion: (EEA)
- PeterYim: "moving from data-model-driven to semantic-model-driven eBusiness standards" (EEB)
- candidate panelists: BruceBargmeyer, ElisaKendall, AdamPease, MikeDaconta, JimHendler, SteveRay (moderator?) (EEC)
- maybe a joint SICoP-Ontolog event, as part of another Collaborative Expedition Workshop? (EFX)
- PeterYim: "moving from data-model-driven to semantic-model-driven eBusiness standards" (EEB)
- (EE4)
- Upcoming Events of interest (EED)
5) Communications, logistics, & work protocols issues (EEH)
6) Follow-ups from previous calls (EEO)
- call/meeting to be scheduled with UN/CEFACT-CCTS WG to review Ontolog's comments [attn: DuaneNickull - ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2005_03_10#nid5JB] (EEP)
- possible meeting/call to follow-up with UDEF folks to review Ontolog's comments (suggested by MikeDaconta) [attn: DuaneNickull] (EEQ)
- Bob and Nicolas will work on the ontological lessons learned in our exercise on RegularConferenceCall scheduling (EER)
- BobSmith: how about the DRM and its Data Sharing Toolkit and associated processes? (as presented at the Collaborative Expedition Workshoon 2005.07.19) (EET)
- ref: http://colab.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ExpeditionWorkshop/DesigningTheDRM_DataVisibility_2005_07_19#nid2TQP (EEU)
- look to Act-II from MikeDaconta / BrandNiemann - scheduled for CEW#43 2005.08.16 (EEV)
7) Current Project Status Report (EEW)
- Status CCT-Representation and UBL-Ontology project work - item skipped (EEX)
- Requirements issues (ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases) (EEY)
- Formalization issues (EEZ)
- UBL Liaison update (EF0)
- [CCT-Rep] status report (EF1)
- Status of Protege-KIF project work (EF2)
- status of NHIN-RFI & Health-Ont project work (EF3)
- AHIC Nomination (EF4)
- Aug. 5, 2005 deadline to submit a one pager. (EF5)
- BobSmith will draft what we plan to submit and post for community review (EF6)
- see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?NominationToAHIC#nidDP3 (ELD)
- if no additional comments, that will get submitted (EF7)
- representation and paper submission to FCW Government Health IT Conference - Nov. 17~18, 2005, Washington, D.C. (EF8)
- see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/health-ont/2005-07/msg00001.html (EF9)
- deadline for abstract submission is Mon 2005.08.08 (EFA)
- Bob will start a thread on this on the [health-ont] forum (EM2)
- UBL liaison report (EFB)
- SICoP liaison report (EFC)
- report on the MarcWine, BrandNiemann, SusanTurnbull & PeterYim meeting with HHS/FHA on 2005.07.25 (EFD)
8) project work session / discussion (EFG)
9) New project proposals (EFL)
- topic map of interest; scheduling conflicts; ... etc. (EFM)
- Nicolas: complementary activities between Ontolog and SICoP (EFN)
- Bob: we could bring this up at our planning session (EFO)
- potential new project with Nicolas, Bob and Kurt leading (EFP)
- See: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologDiscussion/TaggingForumForMatchingInterestsWithinCompatibleSchedule (EFQ)
- Nicolas: complementary activities between Ontolog and SICoP (EFN)
10) Sponsorship and funding (EFR)
11) Other business (EFS)
- Monica: OASIS-ebBP ebXML BPSS v2.0.1 will be going into community shortly (as part of the OASIS 60-day public review process), comments solicted (EM3)
12) Next meeting date and adjourn (EFT)
- call adjourned 10:30 am PDT (EFU)
- next call will be on Thu 2005.08.04 starting at 10:30 am PDT (EFV)
-- minutes captured in real time on this wiki by PeterYim ppy / 2005.07.28 11:38 am PDT (EFW)