[ontolog] Member Conference Call - Thu 2004-11-11 (3YX)
Conference Call Details (3YY)
- Subject: [ontolog] member conference call Thu 2004-11-11 (3YZ)
- Agenda Comments: (3Z0)
- ... build rapport; ... sync up; ... distribute, assign or arbitrate virtual ownership of tasks; ... and use it to deal with emergencies. ... plus, member suggested agenda items. (3Z1)
- please post any suggested agenda items to the call wiki page and upload any material to be shared to the list, to the wiki or by WebDAV upload prior to the meeting (3Z2)
- VNC session (if needed) will be started 5 minutes before the call at: http://vnc2.cim3.net:5800/ (3Z3)
- Wiki page for this call is at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2004_11_11 (3Z6)
- Date: Thursday, Nov. 11, 2004 (3Z7)
- Start Time: 10:30 AM Pacific Standard Time (3Z8)
- End Time: 11:55 AM Pacific Standard Time (3Z9)
- Dial-in Number: 1-702-851-3330 (Las Vegas, Nevada) (3ZA)
- Participant Access Code: "0686564#" (3ZB)
Attendees (3ZC)
- Attended: (3ZD)
- Expecting: (3ZL)
- NicolasRouquette (NASA/JPL; new member ... Welcome!) (3ZM)
- Regrets: (3ZN)
- JackHoward (Schafer Corporation; SETA to DARPA/DAML, RKF, ANT Programs; new member ... Welcome!) (3ZO)
- PatHeinig (DOC/BIS; new member ... Welcome!) (3ZP)
- BillMcCarthy (3ZQ)
Agenda Ideas (3ZR)
- From NicolasRouquette: This is a first time [participating in the call] for me. I'm particularly interested in PSL and Mike's approach with formalizing PSL. I would like to know what kind of theorem provers he is using to test PSL and models of processes written in PSL. -- Nicolas. (3ZS)
- PeterDenno to talk over his contribution. Ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/cctont-imp/2004-11/msg00000.html (3ZT)
- plus any further discussion on PeterDenno's more extended recap of the CCT-Rep discussion at last week's call. see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2004_10_28#nid0187 (3ZU)
- KurtConrad to go over the TOC of the Recomendations white paper. Ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation/CctRep_Recommendation#nid015 (3ZV)
- discussion on PerMyrseth's ROI question. ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2004-11/msg00006.html (3ZW)
Agenda & Proceedings (3ZX)
1) Welcome & confirmation of agenda (3ZY)
- KurtConrad took the chair and welcomed everyone. (3ZZ)
- Special welcome to a few new members to the community: NicolasRouquette, JackHoward & PatHeinig (400)
2) Appointment of secretary to take minutes (401)
3) Roll-call of participants (403)
4) Upcoming meeting & event schedule (near future) (405)
- suggested standing schedule (on a monthly basis): (406)
- Any further comments on the ChrisMenzel talk last week (ref: ConferenceCall_2004_11_04)? (40B)
- particularly on the availability of the phone replay and archived mp3 audio? (40C)
- Guest Speaker schedule: (40D)
- ChrisWelty (IBM) - Thu Nov. 18, 2004 - (BillMcCarthy / EvanWallace) - Chris will be calling in from Italy - Peter Yim is still awaiting for details and input from Chris Welty (40E)
- MarkMusen - December 9, 2004 - confirmed (PeterYim) -- note conflict with Susan's Dec. 9 "All Things Ontological" workshop at NSF (40F)
- future candidates - (40G)
- MichaelUschold (EvanWallace will help check the possibilities with Mike) (40H)
- ConradBock (NIST) on UML2/OCL - Q1/2005 (PeterYim) (40I)
- LarryReeker of NIST (suggested by SusanTurnbull) (40J)
- planning for a joint SICoP-Ontolog-Health conference call as a continuation of our Joint SICoP-Ontolog ConferenceCall_2004_08_12 on the subject. - TBA - (PeterYim) (40K)
- updates on the Dec. 1. 2004 2:00-5:00pm PST (Menlo Park) EDIX "Semantic Harmonization" presentation & panel (40L)
- To be there: PeterYim, AdamPease, KurtConrad, LeoObrst (remote), SteveRay (remote), AlanStitzer (remote) ... (add your name) - we need all the support we can get to make our case (40M)
- (from JonBosak): You will need to register in advance at http://www.comptia.org/events/get_event.aspx?eventid=EIDX200412 (40N)
- Use the promotional code CTIA1204 to waive the $550 conference fee (40O)
- PeterYim to setup the remote access to the event (40P)
5) Communications, logistics, & work protocols issues (40Q)
- those at the calling agreed that the availability of the phone replay and archived mp3 audio for ChrisMenzel's talk was great, and that we should continue doing that for future talks. (40R)
6) Follow-ups from previous calls (40S)
7) Current Project Status Report (40V)
- Status of Protege-KIF project work (40W)
- Status CCT-Representation and UBL-Ontology project work (40Z)
- Requirements issues (ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UseCases) (410)
- Formalization issues (411)
- UBL Liaison update (412)
- [CCT-Rep] status report (413)
8) CctRepresentation project work session (417)
- PeterDenno to talk over his contribution. Ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/cctont-imp/2004-11/msg00000.html (418)
- plus any further discussion on PeterDenno's more extended recap of the CCT-Rep discussion at last week's call. see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2004_10_28#nid0187 (419)
- PeterDenno and AdamPease will continue discussion offline in the detailed work (41A)
- Adam's recommendation: (41B)
- KurtConrad to go over the TOC of the Recomendations white paper. Ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation/CctRep_Recommendation#nid015 (41E)
- Kurt will make a post to solicit comment (41F)
- Kurt and PeterYim will do a work session next Tuesday 2004.11.16 10:30am PST (note: rescheduled, originally Mon 11/15) (41G)
- Everyone is invited and encouraged to join. However, please indicate (by making a post to the forum, or emailing KurtConrad or PeterYim so that we can set up the conference call logistics.) (41H)
- discussion on PerMyrseth's ROI question. ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2004-11/msg00006.html (41I)
- BobSmith was impressed with the question being posed, and the NIST work (posted by PeterDenno in his response.) Encouraged a continued dscussion on the subject. (41J)
- The following has been transferred over from our last call - we could continue where we left off. (41K)
- (41L)
- [CCT-Rep] draft near-term work plan: (--proposed by: PeterYim / 2004.09.30; updated: ppy/2004.10.07; ppy/2004.10.14; ppy/2004.10.28; ppy/2004.11.11) (41M)
- (dates indicated represent our weekly call date; task description(s) covers work expected to be started/done during a specific call, and completed/reviewed during the immediate following week, prior to the next call.) (41N)
- Thu 2004.09.30 - (i) closure of [cctont] draft, and its release for comments; (ii) initiate collection of input for "lessons learned" and appropriate feedback that we could provide to the standards development colleagues. (see: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation#nid0134) (41O)
- Thu 2004.10.07 - adopt workplan, confirm commitments, continuation of last week's tasks (41P)
- Thu 2004.10.14 - (i) review comments and fine tune [cctont]; (ii) import [cctont] with ProtegeKIF tool; (iii) discuss and initiate mapping/translation tasks (ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation#nid0136) (iv) discuss title and key topics/contents for the whitepaper that we are going to publish (41Q)
- Thu 2004.10.21 - (i) review first set of mapping results; (ii) start drafting the "Paper(s)" (41R)
- Thu 2004.10.26 - Ontolog invited speaker session - MarkPalmer on eBSC (41S)
- Thu 2004.10.28 - (i) 2nd review of mapping results; add mapping to a higher level CC element (ii) continue drafting the "Paper"; get consensus on the table of content. (41T)
- Thu 2004.11.04 - Ontolog invited speaker session - ChrisMenzel (41U)
- Thu 2004.11.11 - (i) final review of mapping results; (ii) finalize whitepaper Title and TOC; (iii) identify the presenter(s) for the EIDX panel - done; (iv) start drafting the "Semantic Harmonisation" presentation. (41V)
- Thu 2004.11.18 - Ontolog invited speaker session - ChrisWelty (41W)
- Thu 2004.11.25 - review and finalize "Semantic Harmonisation" presentation (41X)
- Wed 2004.12.01 - EIDX "Semantic Harmonisation" Panel Presentation - (2~5pm, Sun Microsystems, Menlo Park, CA) (41Y)
- [CCT-Rep] draft near-term work plan: (--proposed by: PeterYim / 2004.09.30; updated: ppy/2004.10.07; ppy/2004.10.14; ppy/2004.10.28; ppy/2004.11.11) (41M)
- (41Z)
- The "Input" pages - for helping us put together our collective insight and recommendations: (ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation#nid040) (420)
- Feedback, Comments, Suggestions for the CCT-Representaion project work: CctRepresentation/CctRep_Feedback (421)
- this is for collecting feedback from the team, the ontolog community, the e-business standards development community, and the public at large to the CCT-Ontology development team (i.e. for incoming feedback, from ontolog's perspective) to collaboratively improve on the quality and relevance of this work. (422)
- Draft Feedback and Recommendations for other eBusiness Standards Working Groups: CctRepresentation/CctRep_Recommendation (423)
- this is in preparation for the compilation of position paper(s) that the CCT-Representation project team and the Ontolog community can present to the various e-business standards development bodies (i.e. for outgoinging feedback, from ontolog's perspective) that will include (but not limited to) learnings and recommendations as a result of this work. (424)
- a Business Case section has been added to the CctRepresentation/CctRep_Recommendation page to capture inputs to build up the arguments for supporting our ontological engineering (semantic technologies) approach. (--ppy/2004.10.14) (425)
- Feedback, Comments, Suggestions for the CCT-Representaion project work: CctRepresentation/CctRep_Feedback (421)
- The "Input" pages - for helping us put together our collective insight and recommendations: (ref: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?CctRepresentation#nid040) (420)
- (426)
- see [cctont] draft v0.4 at: http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/ontology/UBLONT/CCTONT-worksheet-v0-4.html (427)
- AlanStitzer: maybe we should map BCC's or some higher level element (which are more tangible) (428)
- candidate higher level element that we could do an exercise on: (429)
- "Goods. Delivery. Date Time" (42A)
- PeterDenno: possibly suggest a different one; something about shipping, maybe (42B)
- the INCOTERM.kif is the answer to Alan's suggestion. (Thanks to Alan's suggestion & PeterDenno's work.) (42C)
- candidate higher level element that we could do an exercise on: (429)
9) New project proposals (42D)
- BobSmith: Ontolog Review of Books and Stuff - progress report on organizing this as a new ontolog project (42E)
- still work on getting a third member to get this going (42F)
- From NicolasRouquette: This is a first time [participating in the call] for me. I'm particularly interested in PSL and Mike's approach with formalizing PSL. I would like to know what kind of theorem provers he is using to test PSL and models of processes written in PSL. -- Nicolas. (42G)
- Nicolas, have you had a chance to go over Mike's talk of 2004.09.06? (--ppy) (42H)
10) Sponsorship and funding (42I)
11) Other business (42L)
12) Next meeting date and adjourn (42O)
- call adjourned 11:43am PDT (42P)
- next community call will be on Thu 2004.11.18 starting at 10:30am PST with invited speaker Dr. Chris Welty (from IBM) (42Q)
- also, white paper work session call scheduled for next Tuesday 2004.11.16 10:30am PST (see above). Note that this has been rescheduled (originally Monday). Please email Kurt or Peter by Monday 2004.11.15 midnight PST if you can join us. (42R)
-- minutes captured in real time on this wiki by PeterYim ppy / 2004.11.11 11:43am PST (42S)