Forwarding this to the [uom-ontology-std] list for archival purposes ... =ppy
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From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 6:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [ontology-summit] Progressing a Units Ontology
- virtual session]
To: Carlos Pedrinaci <c.pedrinaci@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Olken, Frank" <folken@xxxxxxx>, Steve Ray <steve@xxxxxxxxxxx>,
Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> (02)
Hello Carlos, (03)
Thank you for the message. �To get engaged, you might consider the following, (04)
(a) �review earlier transactions among other community members
regarding this UoM ontology standard subject matter in our archives,
particularly the following items at ... (05)
* http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?ConferenceCall_2009_06_19
* http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2009_Communique
* http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2009_Symposium#nid1VUV
*
* http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontology-summit/2009-06/threads.html (06)
2. �consider joining the Ontolog community - see:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?WikiHomePage#nid1J (07)
3. we will be setting up a dedicated mailing list for this "Quantities
and Units of Measure Ontology-based Standard" initiative fairly soon.
I will make a note of your interest, and will include you as a
subscriber. Further activities and progress will appear on that list,
once that has been initialized. (08)
Feel free to ping me any time if you have any further question. (09)
Regards. =ppy (010)
Peter P. Yim (011)
Co-convener,
Ontolog Forum
http://ontolog.cim3.net/wiki/ (012)
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On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Carlos Pedrinaci<c.pedrinaci@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> Could you please let me know how to proceed in order to join/contribute to
> this work?
> Many thanks,
> Carlos
> --
> Dr. Carlos Pedrinaci
> Knowledge Media Institute - The Open University
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> United Kingdom
> Tel: +44 1908 654773
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>
> The Open University is incorporated by Royal Charter (RC 000391), an exempt
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> On 1 Jun 2009, at 15:27, Martin Hepp (UniBW) wrote:
>
> hi carlos,
> you should get involved in this activity with your work on units conversion.
> if you have any questions, please contact peter yim (cc), he coordinates the
> ontolog work. peter can also point you to all ontolog resources.
>
> best
> martin (014)
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Progressing a Units Ontology - virtual
> session
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 23:02:29 +0100
> From: David Leal <david.leal@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Reply-To: Ontology Summit 2009 <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Ontology Summit 2009 <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
> Dear Peter and others,
>
> I hope to attend the telecon and participate in the work.
>
> I strongly agree with Ed's recommendation that we consider the International
> Vocabulary for Measurement (VIM)
> http://www.bipm.org/en/publications/guides/vim.html. It is important that
> things in any ontology for quantities and units are related to the things
> defined in this document - which has the advantage of being on the Web,
> unlike most ISO standards!
>
> On the one hand the document is authoritative, but on the other hand there
> are difficulties with the language used, which creating an ontology may
> clarify.
>
> For example, the definition of "quantity value" is "number and reference
> together expressing magnitude of a quantity". This definition suggest to me
> a "quantity value" is some sort of data structure (i.e. "number and
> reference together") which describes a "magnitude of a quantity". But we
> also have:
>
> NOTE 1 According to the type of reference, a quantity value is either
> � a product of a number and a measurement unit, or
> � a number and a reference to a measurement procedure, or
> � a number and a reference material.
>
> The first item in this list is a very different sort of thing. We usually
> assume that the "product" of a number and a length unit (say) is a
> particular length. Getting all this tied down with an ontology is a worthy
> task.
>
> Best regards,
> David (015)
> At 12:14 29/05/2009 -0400, you wrote:
>>Peter,
>>
>>you wrote:
>>
>>> I am writing to ping everyone, one more time, to find out:
>>>
>>> 1. who is interesting to participate in getting the said Units of
>>> Measure ontology effort going.
>>
>>I am interested because I think a basic reference ontology for
>>'quantity' is needed. According to the International Vocabulary for
>>Measurement (VIM)
>> �http://www.bipm.org/en/publications/guides/vim.html
>>'measurement unit' is one class in that ontology, and it is a subtype of
>>'quantity'. �Further, standardized instances of 'measurement unit'
>>belong to a 'system of measurements' which is intimately related to a
>>taxonomic decomposition of 'quantity'. �So I think the 'basic quantity
>>ontology' is inseparable from an 'ontology for units of measure'.
>>
>>> 2. who is willing to provide some level of leadership to get this
>>> effort off the ground.
>>
>>It makes sense that NIST should lead -- the NIST participants should
>>take that up offline.
>>
>>> 3. who would be joining us if we do run a virtual panel session on
>>> this on Thu 2009.06.11
>>
>>I will try to attend, but I have a likely conflict from 1300-1500 EDT.
>>
>>> 4. if you are joining, and would like to be a panelist, please provide
>>> a title and an abstract of what you might share with in in a 10~15
>>> minute brief.
>>
>>I have said my piece above. �I would rather listen to others.
>>
>>> 5. besides PatCassidy, who else has (access to) a UoM related
>>> ontology, that he/she can upload to the OOR sandbox and some other
>>> publicly accessible ontology repository? (if the latter, please advise
>>> where the repository is.)
>>
>>I have a sketch (UML diagrams with definitions) built for another (now
>>dubious) project, which I will upload.
>>
>>Surely this must also have been addressed in Cyc and DOLCE and BSO.
>>
>>-Ed
>>
>>--
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