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Useful link into the ISO/IEC metrology groups - I have
responded.
I have invited Ed to coordinate with the NIST link
mentioned below.
Howard Mason
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hi everyone!
I rather say that I did some OASIS Contributions a long time ago on
Biometrics (Phil Griffin, and his substitute when he resigned) and I did like
it
I lost my Individual Membership when I did not get any information on how
to pay my IM fees in US $ and to whom...
But I am keen to be an interlocutor if decision is taken to liaise with
ISO/TC 12 (I am the Convenor of WG 13)
and/or IEC/TC 25 (I am the Convenor of WG 5) and metrology is much in
my scope as an expert.
Well, I am yours to talk more, if needs arise
dear John, thanks for informing us
I think that you cannot avoid to speak with Ambler Thompson ["Ambler
Thompson" < ambler@xxxxxxxx>] before
gooing to far [see..he is from NIST] as the US Government seems to be proud to keep more than one closed eye on
anything <metrology>
keep it in mind before starting anything, frowning is a small act for
Governments and Regulators - just advising!
yours kindly
paul
2009/12/2 John Larmouth <j.larmouth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Howard, Thank you for this - I
will try to remember to monitor the activity from time-to-time. There
really should be absolutely NO hostility from other Standards groups, provided
the liaisons are properly established and they have an opportunity to comment
as the work proceeds, particularly if duplicate definitions start to deviate
from 80000 series or SI definitions (I guess I hope they won't). But I
repeat my earlier comment that you should set up at an early stage contacts to
ensure fast-tracking of the results of the OASIS work in ISO (or IEC). I
think that would be very good. I think for this area of work,
fast-tracking in ITU-T would be unnecessary - an OASIS and an ISO or IEC
Standard should be sufficient. I think a part 99 of the 80000
series would be good. It is not normal in the UK for BSI to publish ISO
Standards as a BSI Standard, but if this was fast-tracked as a part of the
80000 series, that would become automatic. We really need to get Anders
Thor or Paul Gerome involved in these discussions sooner rather than
later. John L Mason, Howard (UK) wrote:
Oasis
meeting records are public, but you don't get on the distribution list
unless you are a member.
I assume that the initial meeting will endeavour to establish the
necesary liaisons, and trust that we will not find too much
hostility from the standards groups, as the ontology will in effect
be a derivative work.
Howard Mason
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Sent:
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To: Geoff Williams; Mason, Howard (UK)
Subject: Re: SS/7 - More info re Stanard UOM
ontology
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It is hard to answer this. I
absolutely agree that an ontology in this area would be a good thing,
provided all interested parties are involved - which it seems from what
Howard says *they will be*.
I am not sure the ontology will answer
the ambiguous symbol problem, unless the ontology gives both
definitions *and* "normally-used symbols", stating clearly *the Unicode
values of the latter*. Maybe Howard can take that on-board.
(Howard, I don't think OASIS has the concept of an observer - free -
membership, but I would be interested to track this work, and comment to you
as best I can on what gets produced, but if you forward stuff as liaison to
ISO TC12 and IEC TC25, then I should get it.)
On IST/35 - I am a
member. But I suspect that getting them seriously interested in this
stuff will be difficult. But I would welcome some formal contact
between SS/7 and IST/35 in this area, as there is (perhaps) going to be
between the OASIS TC and TC 215 and HL7.
Geoff, I *do* continue
to be interested in the SS/7 work, and will continue as acting Chairman for
as long as you need me (but I hope you can get a proper replacement Chairman
soon, but I just cannot justify to my family the costs of attending
meetings in Gunnersbury from my personal pocket. Sorry.
John
L
Geoff Williams wrote:
John
Thanks for your responses and for you continued interest. I have attached the unreadable document in a zip archive. Hopefully the wrapper will enable you to receive it in its correct format which is an .mht web page. It contains the draft Charter for the OASIS TC. You may have already seen this. As Howard says, the Ontolog forum (whose activity I have been tracking since you alerted me back in June) are well aware of the BIPM, VIM and ISO 80000 series. I did take the opportunity of alerting them (Ontolog UoM forum) to these documents back in June.
This ontology could be very useful for any application using electronic communications between applications and may be the answer to the ambiguous symbol problem that the UK identified through the telebiometric and telemedicine initiatives. I think that we need to get IST/35 more involved. We need people from the medical community with IT experience working on these projects.
I am trying to raise SS/7 interest in what is happening but many members do not understand why there is a need for an ontology on the subject.
Regards
Geoffrey Williams
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From: John Larmouth [mailto:j.larmouth@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: 29 November 2009 14:17
To: ss_7@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: SS/7 - More info re Stanard UOM ontology
Geoff,
Your attachment was not readable by me - just came up as binary - but I
think it is covered by my recent mailings on this subject.
John L
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Dear Colleagues
Further to my earlier email and the discussion at the SS/7 meeting today, I have jut found out that an OASIS TC has been proposed to develop the international standard, which I expect will be subsequently fast-tracked as an ISO standard.
Please see the attached document.
Regards
Geoff Williams
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