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Re: [oor-forum] OOR Team Conference Call - Tue 2011.10.04

To: "longstreth@xxxxxxx" <longstreth@xxxxxxx>, OpenOntologyRepository-discussion <oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion <oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: k Goodier <kgoodier@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 19:36:59 -0400
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Common logic was implemented to resolve these issues in 2006. It is not a cure all. No one thing ever is. Every mission is contextually special.  I hope to see you all at STIDS 2011 at George Mason where we are sure to discuss these issues in some depth. 

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On Oct 18, 2011, at 6:26 PM, "terry.longstreth" <terry.longstreth@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

You are preaching to the choir. But the issue isn't whether to use or adopt Common Logic.  I think there is a consensus that it's an essential element of the solution. The argument's about whether CL is or could be extended to support interconnecting an (apparently unlimited) collection of ontological models.   I hope John Sowa's right, that the CL specification could be extended to meet the requirement, but I don't understand enough about actual applications to see how.   I'm afraid that much of the argument against extending CL is based on NIH, but without a better grounding in the elements of the debate, I don't feel qualified to make such a charge.

Much of today's OOR Metadata discussion touched on similar issues.  The difference is, I think, that OOR intends that each repository instance will provide a closed world environment with complete control over the unified ontology content, mediated by more or less statically defined unifying functions (represented by the use/hasImports connections).   Interoperability, the goal of the ISO 17347 effort, is much more ambitious, I think. And of course, our experience with the NCOIC SCOPE model, and its focus on open world issues, should provide valuable insights.


Todd J Schneider wrote:

Thank you for the elucidation.

If you have any influence, try to push for the use/adoption of Common Logic.
People need to grow up someday. Delaying things only entrenches bad practices.


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To: Todd J Schneider <todd.schneider@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
From: "terry.longstreth" <terry.longstreth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 10/17/2011 11:20PM
Subject: Re: [oor-forum] OOR Team Conference Call - Tue 2011.10.04

DOL is the rubric assigned to the first intended product of the ISO/WD 17347 working group.  For more information see the CIM3 Wikipage

John Sowa is pushing hard for the group to adopt CL or IKL as the DOL, but he's meeting with a lot of resistance to the idea.  I'm not sure I follow the arguments (from either side), but I do know that the ISO standard for CL is up for review, making this an opportune time to consider convolving the two efforts.


Todd J Schneider wrote:

I haven't reviewed the material at the URL, but what is a
'Distributed Ontology Language'?


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To: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
From: "terry.longstreth" <terry.longstreth@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Date: 10/15/2011 01:39AM
Cc: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion <oor-forum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [oor-forum] OOR Team Conference Call - Tue 2011.10.04

Thanks, Peter.  I did a quick scan of it, and I think it's a useful background/use case document for both OOR and DOL (Distributed Ontology Language). 

Peter Yim wrote:
Terry & All,

During the Oct-4 meeting, I relayed a report from MikeDean on the
SOCoP presentation at the NSF CyberGIS All Hands Meeting (at Oak Ridge
National Lab, 28~30-Oct-2011), especially regarding the segment
related to OOR. Terry you asked if someone can provide a link to the
slides that were presented.

For your information, MikeDean has since furnished this information;
you can find that on our meeting proceedings now - please see under:
... thanks, Mike.

Regards.  =ppy

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
Re: http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OOR/ConferenceCall_2011_10_04


This is a reminder that we will be having a regular OOR team meeting
next Tuesday (Oct-4) ... people should still pay special attention to
the time of the call, as this is one of the earlier sessions on the
newly adopted meeting slot (where we have moved the Fridays starting
6:00am PDT / 9:00am EDT / 3:00pm CEST to Tuesdays starting at 8:30am
PDT / 11:30am EDT / 5:30pm CEST.)

Date: Tuesday, 4-Oct-2011
Start time: 8:30am PDT / 11:30am EDT / 5:30pm CEST / 4:30pm BST / 15:30 UTC
* worldclock: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=10&day=4&year=2011&hour=8&min=30&sec=0&p1=224

Items to cover include (but not limited to):
* OOR-sandbox and OOR-devbox status update (incl. developments on the
vm image issue) {nid 2X4W}
* a report on the late-September SOCoP ORNL meetings {nid 2X4X}
* Member activities updates {nid 2X4Z}
* planning and coordination on upcoming OOR events {nid 2X4Y}
** OOR Architecture-API sessions, OOR Metadata sessions, Standards
sessions, ... more
* action planning for "soliciting" content {nid 2X50}

Agenda and other meeting details will be on the session page at:

Please add any other item you want to see on the agenda under "Agenda
Ideas" on the session page, or post it to this thread.

Add yourself to the expected attendee list of the session page on the
wiki (or RSVP to me via email, off-list) please.

Hope to talk to you all at the call next Tuesday!

Thanks & regards.  =ppy

p.s.  Since RayFergerson is not available to join us at this call, we
will be postponing the item on "Architectural review and discussion,
how do we best leverage the OOR-NCBO collaboration" - ref.
 to a session in the near future when he will be able to join us. I
have some interim updates from him that I can relay during this
meeting, though.


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