I would like to pursue one issue that came up in the SIO-dev discussion:
would there be any gatekeeping functions for the OOR that would prevent any
ontologies from being included? (01)
My preference is that there be no prohibition on the inclusion of submitted
ontologies, though there may be a minimum criterion of metadata needed to
classify the ontology within the OOR system of classification. Whether an
ontology has minimal competence or functionality should be determined by
reviewers, and the OOR should have a mechanism for reviews to be included
and te contributing reviewer(s) identified. I can envision committees
(formal or informal) of individuals representing certain communities who
provide a review indicating the utility of particular ontologies for that
particular community. Individuals who want to determine which ontologies
fit their own criteria of usefulness can over time figure out which review
committees can be trusted to represent their point of view or utility
criteria. (02)
I hope that the OOR will be useful enough to survive for at least a few
decades, in which case functions like review will evolve as needed to
support practice . (03)
Pat (04)
Patrick Cassidy
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oor-forum-
> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Yim
> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 2:33 PM
> To: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion
> Subject: [oor-forum] Fwd: [sio-dev] Fwd: [ontolog-forum] Sharing and
> Integrating Ontologies
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [sio-dev] Fwd: [ontolog-forum] Sharing and Integrating
> Ontologies
> To: "[sio-dev] discussion" <sio-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> > [RonW] Horribly bureaucratic process. No way this will be able
> > to get any following among application developers. ...
>
> [ppy] I guess it depends on the kind of ontology submission one has in
> mind?
>
> I trust those who were involved in the earlier discussion (either OOR
> or SIO) were thinking of artifacts like OpenCYC, PSL, BFO, COSMO,
> DOLCE, SUMO and the like (and to weed out the counter examples that
> Barry Smith usually cites.)
>
> ISO is a terribly bureaucratic process too!
>
> Once again, if the conversation (like this one) addresses the broader
> scope of OOR (and not just SIO implementation issues, please use the
> [oor-forum] list (rather than [sio-dev]) for the discussion. I am
> going to forward this thread to [oor-forum], kindly pick it up from
> there.
>
> ... by the way, Ron, why 'application developers' rather than
> 'ontology developers' (isn't the latter what OOR is for)?
>
> Thanks & regards. =ppy
> --
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Ron Wheeler
> <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On 09/04/2010 2:52 PM, kenb wrote:
> >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Cameron Ross wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Thanks Todd.
> >>>
> >>> The use cases thus far describe Create, Retrieve, Update and Delete
> >>> (CRUD) functionality that is typical of a repository. I'm looking
> for
> >>> use cases that correspond to the eventual end uses of onologies
> >>> residing within the repository. For example, the trigger for the
> >>> "Find Ontology" use case is "Need for an ontology". What are the
> use
> >>> cases that motivate the need for an ontology. Although such use
> cases
> >>> may not be required for the system level implementation of the
> >>> repository, I believe they are essential to develop an
> understanding
> >>> of the types of problems that an ontology repository will help to
> solve.
> >>>
> >>> I guess I'm struggling to understand the value of ontology
> >>> repositories beyond their ability to facilitate the development and
> >>> sharing of ontologies. If there isn't any value beyond this, then
> >>> what is the need for an "online" repository. Wouldn't a system
> that
> >>> allows for the sharing and collaborative development of static
> >>> ontology artifacs (e.g. files) suffice? SourceForge comes to mind.
> >>>
> >> The OOR use cases consider workflows/processes such as reviewing,
> mapping,
> >> composing, etc. The use cases also distinguish the roles (actors)
> that
> >> are involved in these processes. IMHO, these go significantly beyond
> CRUD
> >> functionality.
> >>
>
> >>> Perhaps this a naive view, or it has been discussed previously. If
> >>> so, some links would be much appreciated.
> >>>
> >> See the OOR use case descriptions at
> >> http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OOR/OOR-Use-Cases/oor-usecase.xml
> and
> >>
> >> -- Ken
>
> > Horribly bureaucratic process. No way this will be able to get any
> > following among application developers.
> > The only criteria for submitting an ontology to a central repository
> > should be some claim on the namespace.
> > Our company owns "com.artifact-software" and I should be able to
> submit
> > any ontology that I want as long as I supply the minimal metadata to
> > permit the OOR to index it.
> > If people like the license that I give and can merge the ontology
> with
> > the rest of their set, then they will use it.
> > Adding a bunch of gatekeepers is only going to make the marketplace
> go
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > Ron
>
>
> >>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Todd J
> Schneider<todd.schneider@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>> Ron, Cameron,
> >>>>
> >>>> The OOR team does have high-level use cases addressing different
> >>>> roles of OOR users. Among them are Developer and [general] User.
> >>>>
> >>>> See
> >>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?
> >>>> OpenOntologyRepository_UseCases
> >>>>
> >>>> Feel free to extend or add to the existing use cases.
> >>>>
> >>>> Todd
>
>
> >>>> From:
> >>>> Ron Wheeler<rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To:
> >>>> "[sio-dev] discussion"<sio-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Date:
> >>>> 04/06/2010 10:54 AM
> >>>> Subject:
> >>>> Re: [sio-dev] Fwd: [ontolog-forum] Sharing and Integrating
> >>>> Ontologies
> >>>> Sent by:
> >>>> sio-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Does anyone have a written use case for what an ontologist would
> >>>> want us
> >>>> to produce?
> >>>> What are the problems he/she should be trying to solve when they
> >>>> contemplate selecting one of our artifacts?
> >>>> How will our artifacts interface with the rest of the solutions
> set?
> >>>>
> >>>> Are we in a position to write the introductory chapter of the user
> >>>> documentation?
> >>>>
> >>>> Do we have a place on the wiki where these ideas can be developed?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Ron
>
>
> >>>> Rick Murphy wrote Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:42 AM EDT:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:32 AM, John F. Sowa<sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>>>> <mailto:sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> John Bateman and his group at Bremen put together a variety of
> free
> >>>>>>> and open source tools and integrated them with their
> methodology.
> >>>>>>> One of the most important is HeTS (Heterogeneous Tool System),
> >>>>>>> which can translate from one logic to another while preserving
> >>>>>>> the semantics:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I spent most of last Winter investigating HETs, CASL, Haskell and
> >>>>> Isabelle. At this point I have a modest capacity to engage in
> >>>>> modeling
> >>>>> and coding with this tool suite.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I look forward to the discussion !
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rick
>
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