To avoid having to (overly) repeat the community has already spent
quite a bit of time on, may I suggest anyone who is going to engage in
this discussion to go through the section on "Quality and Gatekeeping"
in the OntologySummit2008_Communique at:
http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?OntologySummit2008_Communique#nid1GV5 (01)
Thanks & regards. =ppy
-- (02)
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Patrick Cassidy <pat@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I would like to pursue one issue that came up in the SIO-dev discussion:
> would there be any gatekeeping functions for the OOR that would prevent any
> ontologies from being included?
>
> My preference is that there be no prohibition on the inclusion of submitted
> ontologies, though there may be a minimum criterion of metadata needed to
> classify the ontology within the OOR system of classification. Whether an
> ontology has minimal competence or functionality should be determined by
> reviewers, and the OOR should have a mechanism for reviews to be included
> and the contributing reviewer(s) identified. I can envision committees
> (formal or informal) of individuals representing certain communities who
> provide a review indicating the utility of particular ontologies for that
> particular community. Individuals who want to determine which ontologies
> fit their own criteria of usefulness can over time figure out which review
> committees can be trusted to represent their point of view or utility
> criteria.
>
> I hope that the OOR will be useful enough to survive for at least a few
> decades, in which case functions like review will evolve as needed to
> support practice .
>
> Pat
>
> Patrick Cassidy
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oor-forum-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:oor-forum-
>> bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter Yim
>> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 2:33 PM
>> To: OpenOntologyRepository-discussion
>> Subject: [oor-forum] Fwd: [sio-dev] Fwd: [ontolog-forum] Sharing and
>> Integrating Ontologies
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [sio-dev] Fwd: [ontolog-forum] Sharing and Integrating
>> Ontologies
>> To: "[sio-dev] discussion" <sio-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>>
>> > [RonW] Horribly bureaucratic process. No way this will be able
>> > to get any following among application developers. ...
>>
>> [ppy] I guess it depends on the kind of ontology submission one has in
>> mind?
>>
>> I trust those who were involved in the earlier discussion (either OOR
>> or SIO) were thinking of artifacts like OpenCYC, PSL, BFO, COSMO,
>> DOLCE, SUMO and the like (and to weed out the counter examples that
>> Barry Smith usually cites.)
>>
>> ISO is a terribly bureaucratic process too!
>>
>> Once again, if the conversation (like this one) addresses the broader
>> scope of OOR (and not just SIO implementation issues, please use the
>> [oor-forum] list (rather than [sio-dev]) for the discussion. I am
>> going to forward this thread to [oor-forum], kindly pick it up from
>> there.
>>
>> ... by the way, Ron, why 'application developers' rather than
>> 'ontology developers' (isn't the latter what OOR is for)?
>>
>> Thanks & regards. =ppy
>> -- (04)
>> On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Ron Wheeler
>> <rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > On 09/04/2010 2:52 PM, kenb wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 6 Apr 2010, Cameron Ross wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> Thanks Todd.
>> >>>
>> >>> The use cases thus far describe Create, Retrieve, Update and Delete
>> >>> (CRUD) functionality that is typical of a repository. I'm looking
>> for
>> >>> use cases that correspond to the eventual end uses of onologies
>> >>> residing within the repository. For example, the trigger for the
>> >>> "Find Ontology" use case is "Need for an ontology". What are the
>> use
>> >>> cases that motivate the need for an ontology. Although such use
>> cases
>> >>> may not be required for the system level implementation of the
>> >>> repository, I believe they are essential to develop an
>> understanding
>> >>> of the types of problems that an ontology repository will help to
>> solve.
>> >>>
>> >>> I guess I'm struggling to understand the value of ontology
>> >>> repositories beyond their ability to facilitate the development and
>> >>> sharing of ontologies. If there isn't any value beyond this, then
>> >>> what is the need for an "online" repository. Wouldn't a system
>> that
>> >>> allows for the sharing and collaborative development of static
>> >>> ontology artifacs (e.g. files) suffice? SourceForge comes to mind.
>> >>>
>> >> The OOR use cases consider workflows/processes such as reviewing,
>> mapping,
>> >> composing, etc. The use cases also distinguish the roles (actors)
>> that
>> >> are involved in these processes. IMHO, these go significantly beyond
>> CRUD
>> >> functionality.
>> >>
>>
>> >>> Perhaps this a naive view, or it has been discussed previously. If
>> >>> so, some links would be much appreciated.
>> >>>
>> >> See the OOR use case descriptions at
>> >> http://ontolog.cim3.net/file/work/OOR/OOR-Use-Cases/oor-usecase.xml
>> and
>> >>
>> >> -- Ken
>>
>> > Horribly bureaucratic process. No way this will be able to get any
>> > following among application developers.
>> > The only criteria for submitting an ontology to a central repository
>> > should be some claim on the namespace.
>> > Our company owns "com.artifact-software" and I should be able to
>> submit
>> > any ontology that I want as long as I supply the minimal metadata to
>> > permit the OOR to index it.
>> > If people like the license that I give and can merge the ontology
>> with
>> > the rest of their set, then they will use it.
>> > Adding a bunch of gatekeepers is only going to make the marketplace
>> go
>> > elsewhere.
>> >
>> > Ron (05)
>> >>> On Apr 6, 2010, at 12:07 PM, Todd J
>> Schneider<todd.schneider@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> Ron, Cameron,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The OOR team does have high-level use cases addressing different
>> >>>> roles of OOR users. Among them are Developer and [general] User.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> See
>> >>>> http://ontolog.cim3.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?
>> >>>> OpenOntologyRepository_UseCases
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Feel free to extend or add to the existing use cases.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Todd (06)
>> >>>> From:
>> >>>> Ron Wheeler<rwheeler@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> To:
>> >>>> "[sio-dev] discussion"<sio-dev@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>>> Date:
>> >>>> 04/06/2010 10:54 AM
>> >>>> Subject:
>> >>>> Re: [sio-dev] Fwd: [ontolog-forum] Sharing and Integrating
>> >>>> Ontologies
>> >>>> Sent by:
>> >>>> sio-dev-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does anyone have a written use case for what an ontologist would
>> >>>> want us to produce?
>> >>>> What are the problems he/she should be trying to solve when they
>> >>>> contemplate selecting one of our artifacts?
>> >>>> How will our artifacts interface with the rest of the solutions set?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Are we in a position to write the introductory chapter of the user
>> >>>> documentation?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do we have a place on the wiki where these ideas can be developed?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ron (07)
>> >>>> Rick Murphy wrote Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:42 AM EDT:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 7:32 AM, John F. Sowa<sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>>>> <mailto:sowa@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>>> John Bateman and his group at Bremen put together a variety of
>> free
>> >>>>>>> and open source tools and integrated them with their
>> methodology.
>> >>>>>>> One of the most important is HeTS (Heterogeneous Tool System),
>> >>>>>>> which can translate from one logic to another while preserving
>> >>>>>>> the semantics:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> I spent most of last Winter investigating HETs, CASL, Haskell and
>> >>>>> Isabelle. At this point I have a modest capacity to engage in
>> >>>>> modeling
>> >>>>> and coding with this tool suite.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> I look forward to the discussion !
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> --
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Rick
>>
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