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One key question is the relationship, among the parts, that is used to make the whole.
For example one consider:
--- "system of parts"
--- "collection of parts"
--- "aggregation of parts"
--- "group of parts"
--- "set of parts"
--- "association of parts"
But would:
--- "part of parts" make any sense?
Have fun,
Joe
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Peter Yim <peter.yim@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
(Just re-labeling the conversastion to something more appropriate ...
please continue the thread here, instead. =ppy)
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From: AzamatAbdoullaev <abdoul@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Summit process
[was-Re:[BigSystemsand SE] summit session-03]
To: Ontology Summit 2012 discussion <ontology-summit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
--- "system of systems" (a group of interrelated but independent
systems making a whole)
--- "collection of systems" (several systems considered as a whole)
--- "aggregation of systems" (several systems considered as a whole)
--- "group of systems" (any number of systems considered as a whole)
--- "set of systems" (a group of systems of the same kind)
--- "association of systems" (a relation of systems resulting from
dependence or interaction)
The system of systems (SoS) draws an enormous interest, theoretical
and practical. It's most important to specify this key type of complex
systems, together with metasystems, their distinctions, definitions
and meanings, scope, and properties and applications.
The system of systems research, egineering and applications are among
priority projects in research institutions, government agencies and
commercial entities, as MIT, DoD, NASA.
Ontology is fully capable to provide fundamental principles, reference
standards, and formal methodology for the SoS engineering and
applications, which are just as many as the networks of heterogenous
systems of all sorts and types.
Azamat Abdoullaev
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From: joseph simpson
To: Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Ontology Summit process
[was-Re:[BigSystemsand SE] summit session-03]
Is anyone making a distinction among:
--- "system of systems"
--- "collection of systems"
--- "aggregation of systems"
--- "group of systems"
--- "set of systems"
--- "association of systems?"
Joe
On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Christopher Spottiswoode
<cms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> Already a preliminary P.S. on that thought:
>
> Hobbes' Leviathan was first published 360 years ago. But we may surely presume we aren't full circle back to Hobbesian strong central government, here in the form of excessive reliance on any central ontology.
>
> Even though the Babel, like Leviathan, has biblical sanction.
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> From: Christopher Spottiswoode
> To: Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 5:37 PM
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>
> Ah, thank you Azamat, for the nice metaphor.
>
> As long as we beware the "Leviathan" associations.
>
> A thought relevant, I believe, to the entire Summit theme.
>
> (More on which anon.)
>
> Christopher
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Christopher Spottiswoode
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> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 4:24 PM
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> Azamat,
>
> Sorry, I can't resist answering your question:
>
> > What is a master-planned and well-designed city:
> > systems of systems or big systems?
>
> Definitely your first alternative. The second is either non-existent or a nightmare.
>
> Of course, any such system of systems also has to be very loosely-knit and dynamically-conceived.
>
> AA: Ideally, to mimic the human organism, as in "smart cities":
>
> eco infrastructure (skeleton frame),
> logistics and utilities, water supply, energy networks, and wastage system (body processes, intake, respiration, digestion, excreting),
> digital ICT (telecommunications) networks (the nerves),
> transportation and mobility (locomotion),
> embedded intelligence (the brains),
> sensors and tags (the sensory organs),
> intelligent software (the knowledge and cognitive competence).
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Azamat
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
> Christopher
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> From: AzamatAbdoullaev
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> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:00 PM
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> What is a master-planned and well-designed city: systems of systems or big systems?
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> From: Schiffel, Jeffrey A
> To: Ontology Summit 2012 discussion
> Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 7:16 PM
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>
> The engineers I work with commonly refer to “systems of systems” instead of “big systems.” Systems of systems are, as the name suggests, are collections of coordinated systems. The most common variety are network-centric systems.
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>
>
> Outside the engineering world – and in it, for that matter – the common phrase is “complex systems.”
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>
>
> The chief difference between systems and systems of systems, aside from scale, is increased interest in emergent behaviors and the application of hierarchy theories.
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>
>
> -- Jeff Schiffel
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>
> From: Arun Majumdar
>
> FWIW: I consider "Big Systems" distinct from "Systems Engineering" in that "Big Systems" are about size, depth, breadth and complexity from an ontological, teleological and epistemological schemes for naming, categorization, management, curation, lifecycle and operations viewpoint. Systems Engineering, in my viewpoint, is about engineering methodologies, tools, techniques, approaches, strategies, cookbooks, and data/information/infrastructure architectures.
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