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Re: [ontology-summit] [engineered-systems] Large-scale engineered system

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From: "Obrst, Leo J." <lobrst@xxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2012 22:53:06 +0000
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Ok, I mean: see the above Subject line.    (01)

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[mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Obrst, Leo J.
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Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Large-scale engineered systems vs. large-scale 
sociotechnical systems    (02)

Just a suggestion (not that it necessarily applies to this thread), but recall 
that we are intending to supply metadata in the Subject line as to Track 
addressed by the message.    (03)

In this case, it is multiple tracks, but perhaps the metadata could be 
[engineered-systems], i.e.,
RE: [ontology-summit] [engineered-systems] Large-scale engineered systems vs.   
large-scale sociotechnical systems    (04)

Thanks,
Leo    (05)

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[mailto:ontology-summit-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jack Ring
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 5:39 PM
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Subject: Re: [ontology-summit] Large-scale engineered systems vs. large-scale 
sociotechnical systems    (06)

I question the presumption of 'larger system' of which the caterpillar is 
supposedly part.
If the caterpillars doesn't know about it then exactly where did that "larger 
system" come from?
As near as I have been able to discover such 'systems' are 'fignewtons of 
someone's igmentary'
Accordingly, all 'systems' are man-made.    (07)

On Jan 19, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Jack Park wrote:    (08)

> Jack,
> 
> Does a caterpillar have to tell anybody anything to otherwise be a
> part of a larger system, be it engineered or sociotechnical, natural,
> or otherwise? How is that question related to the subject?
> 
> JackP
> 
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Jack Ring <jring7@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Gary,
>> Has any caterpillar ever told you he is going to become a butterfly?
>> On Jan 19, 2012, at 1:13 PM, gbergcross@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> 
>>> Jack....Wow.
>>> 
>>> I do think of MUCH of natural phenomena as part of a system of related 
>parts, which allows emergence from thise parts, for example.
>>> 
>>> Gary
> 
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