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[Alex Shkotin <alex.shkotin@xxxxxxxxx>]

Simon,

This is why it's easer to formalize particular science (hydrology and hydrodynamics separatly;-) as concepts in particular science are more or less aligned and carefuly defined. 

We have tried formalization for petrology keeping OWL2-DL in mind.

Glimpse "Towards Owl-Based Knowledge Representation in Petrology" article or presentation.

Alex

2013/10/19 <Simon.Cox@xxxxxxxx>

Maybe. But it also depends on the size of the pipe and the rate of flow.

 

The reason that crocodiles are interesting is

(a)     In this context they are not fundamentally different to any other kind of suspended particle.

(b)    They are a real water quality indicator, both in terms of the capacity of a water body to support life, and the capacity of the water body to support recreation!

(c)     They are memorable!

 

It seems that Torsten and Boyan are suggesting there is a fundamental distinction between dissolved and suspended contaminants, but I’m not sure there is a firm line. When I did physical chemistry there was a continuum from solution-suspension-emulsion-colloid, but in the case of suspension I’m not sure if there is a critical particle size – look at the movies from the Fukushima tsunami to see how very large objects can be part of the flow.

 

You also appear to be accepting that hydrodynamics is the use-case under discussion. There are other cases in which water contaminants play a role.

 

Simon

 

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Simon,

 

I think it's just more simple: Torsen gave us elements of hydrology theory (formal one;-) abstracted from bio-objects.

Suppose this theory can predict flood movement and other hydrology processes.

But where crocodiles? They are neglected. Abstraction.

They do not impact to hydrological processes of interest. Do they?

Ask hydrologists:-)

I think they have an amendment to the coefficient of viscosity of the water in this case;-)

 

Alex

 

2013/10/18 <Simon.Cox@xxxxxxxx>

Re the discussion about water/crocodiles/water bodies etc:

This issue is partly accommodated by the O&M model, where the 'feature-of-interest' (e.g. a specific water body) is distinguished from the 'observed-property' (concentration of crocodiles) (and also from the procedure or sensor).
This in turn is a corollary of the underlying 'feature model' which, like pretty much all of the meta-models we are using including OWL, distinguishes between classes/objects and properties/property-values.

There is an issue that many vocabularies of 'observed properties' conflate these concerns, so in standard water property vocabularies we see entries like:
   'concentration of crocodiles in a water body measured using a fooglemeter averaged over 3-day intervals and expressed as a number scaled by the unit-of-measure "bites"'.

But the analysis is established in O&M since many years now.

Simon

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